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Sure, except ... Nate Send a noteboard - 04/10/2011 04:50:53 PM
we're just surprised that anyone still clings to idiotic, racist bullshit like that, or would admit to it....

I mean, what, does he think that Jesus was a blond Aryan man, too? :rolleyes:

Just like people who think Jews have been punished for disobeying Mosaic law, rejecting Christ or [your unforgivable sin here] are not necessarily Anti-Semitic or approving of the Jews undeniable hardship over the past 2500 years or so. Again, it can simply be an attempted explanation rather than attempted justification.


An attempt to explain or not, the thought that some people have dark skin because their ancestors were evil and I have white skin because my ancestors were pure is clearly verging sharply into racist territory, even if you don't feel that current dark-skinned people are evil and current white-skinned people are pure. It's a semantic step away from white-purity racism, but it's still on the same stage and the implications are similar.
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That's not quite right, actually. Nate - 04/10/2011 03:25:54 PM 576 Views
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The absolute best part about your post (plus the best thing about Mo's/LDS's) Jeordam - 03/10/2011 09:02:17 PM 1021 Views
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I never said well-written, I said complex. Gher - 04/10/2011 07:04:24 AM 1135 Views
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Re: I have to "Wow" as well... racist much? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 04:42:47 PM 1072 Views
oh well that makes it all better... LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 04:54:14 PM 1081 Views
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Sure, except ... Nate - 04/10/2011 04:50:53 PM 1036 Views
Well, the funny thing is Christian doctrine presupposes everyone, along with their ancestors... Joel - 04/10/2011 06:31:13 PM 921 Views
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It it is nigh impossible to be a "non-Nicene Christian." Joel - 04/10/2011 03:12:06 PM 1044 Views
I think we've had this discussion before. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:54:39 PM 1028 Views
Arianism is a bad comparison for arguing LDS=Christian. Joel - 06/10/2011 11:45:36 PM 915 Views
Wikipedia confirms what I already thought: you're off base with the monophysitism. Legolas - 07/10/2011 12:06:40 AM 1274 Views
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That sounds really nice. Vivien - 04/10/2011 06:38:29 PM 990 Views
Why wait though? Joel - 05/10/2011 12:12:21 AM 1170 Views
So that Vivien can avoid reading and thinking about the stuff that you just wrote. *NM* Aeryn - 05/10/2011 12:28:23 AM 536 Views
Ack, not reading and thinking111 Joel - 05/10/2011 12:36:11 AM 988 Views
I really want an answer from a mormon. Vivien - 05/10/2011 08:48:49 PM 1006 Views
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Gher - 06/10/2011 05:43:57 PM 913 Views
I'm satisfied by that explanation. Vivien - 06/10/2011 08:51:15 PM 1160 Views
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Oh no you idn't... *waves finger and weaves head* everynametaken - 04/10/2011 03:53:07 AM 827 Views
....i don't know what you look like LadyLorraine - 04/10/2011 03:54:56 AM 959 Views
Shoot, my Mick Jagger strut is way better than my angry hispanic girl head/finger bob and weave. *NM* everynametaken - 05/10/2011 04:58:53 AM 670 Views
Took the words right out of my mouth, repeatedly. Joel - 04/10/2011 12:49:13 PM 1162 Views
Off-Topic Larry - 05/10/2011 01:14:16 AM 925 Views
Hmm Tom - 05/10/2011 02:03:13 AM 1124 Views
True Larry - 05/10/2011 02:13:00 AM 914 Views
I think of Protestantism in terms similar to a Xerox copy. Tom - 05/10/2011 04:57:42 AM 1018 Views
Maybe Xeroxes of abridged texts and dumbed down theology Larry - 06/10/2011 02:26:58 AM 1144 Views
I like that analogy - an echo chamber! *NM* Tom - 08/10/2011 10:44:04 PM 578 Views
Re: Off-Topic CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 02:56:50 AM 1153 Views
Uhh... Larry - 05/10/2011 03:08:49 AM 957 Views
The people at the Nicene Council and the other councils were not prophets. CaptainHammer - 05/10/2011 04:59:50 AM 1069 Views
And you know that because... why, again? Joel - 05/10/2011 07:13:53 AM 996 Views
Tough Crowd. Dannymac - 03/10/2011 04:44:31 PM 1112 Views
No questions. Have a nice day. TaskmasterJack - 03/10/2011 11:40:58 PM 961 Views
Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? *NM* Dan - 04/10/2011 03:58:16 AM 659 Views
Re: Why don't they have anything approaching a formal theology? CaptainHammer - 04/10/2011 05:23:12 PM 1069 Views
Danny is right, it is a pretty tough crowd, but better tough than weak and whitewashed. everynametaken - 04/10/2011 04:02:16 AM 985 Views
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