"I do not know if I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly or am now a butterfly..."
Joel Send a noteboard - 23/09/2011 06:50:34 PM
"dreaming I am a man...."
Toms recent thread on 911 conspiracy theorists illustrate the concept well, though that is far from the only example; unreasonable doubt is the bread and butter of conspiracy theories. Ironically, I happen to be re-watching the end of "Inception" with the wife; that films pivotal revelation is also a fine illustration. There is a reason science studies routinely state conclusions made "at a x% level of confidence" rather that stating them to as indisputable absolute FACTS. Absolute certainty is nigh impossible in the real world; it only seems otherwise if we fail to question our assumptions, which is a poor manner in which to decide whether to execute a man.
Toms recent thread on 911 conspiracy theorists illustrate the concept well, though that is far from the only example; unreasonable doubt is the bread and butter of conspiracy theories. Ironically, I happen to be re-watching the end of "Inception" with the wife; that films pivotal revelation is also a fine illustration. There is a reason science studies routinely state conclusions made "at a x% level of confidence" rather that stating them to as indisputable absolute FACTS. Absolute certainty is nigh impossible in the real world; it only seems otherwise if we fail to question our assumptions, which is a poor manner in which to decide whether to execute a man.
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i'm proud to live in a country where you can be executed based on circumstantial evidence...
22/09/2011 04:06:07 PM
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And yet the Supreme Court didn't stop it. You're a lawyer right?
22/09/2011 04:19:05 PM
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Well, that right there was an ignorant thing to say.
22/09/2011 04:32:49 PM
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But they get all the media attention
22/09/2011 04:45:03 PM
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Cameron Todd Willingham is white, and his story is a national one since Perry is running for Pres
23/09/2011 03:41:52 PM
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those numbers are less schocking when you consider that blacks commet a lot more murders *NM*
22/09/2011 05:43:51 PM
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And this is a typically illogical argument.
22/09/2011 11:11:48 PM
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You're kidding, right?
23/09/2011 02:55:44 PM
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Re: You're kidding, right?
23/09/2011 07:36:38 PM
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Juror bias. *NM*
23/09/2011 08:35:10 PM
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Your evidence for that? *NM*
23/09/2011 11:33:58 PM
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Twenty-one years of life in the American South.
24/09/2011 12:40:10 AM
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Of course I'm interested
24/09/2011 04:03:51 AM
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From me being too involved with the subject material. I apologize.
24/09/2011 11:16:06 AM
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While I largely agree with your argument, I agree more with Cannoli on the NAACP.
23/09/2011 07:46:06 PM
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Huh.
22/09/2011 04:47:20 PM
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That jumped out at me too.
22/09/2011 04:50:52 PM
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What really confuses me
22/09/2011 04:58:32 PM
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That's a good question and I really wish it would be addressed.
22/09/2011 05:05:40 PM
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Re: That's a good question and I really wish it would be addressed.
22/09/2011 05:21:59 PM
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If the original trial is shown to be flawed that's supposed to require a new trial.
22/09/2011 08:25:51 PM
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Well...
22/09/2011 05:18:54 PM
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So if I understand you correctly...
22/09/2011 05:23:00 PM
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Yes, that is correct. And proving witness coercion is likely to be difficult if not impossible. *NM*
22/09/2011 05:30:37 PM
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it is only confusing because the evidence isn't really that shaky
22/09/2011 08:54:21 PM
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If I understand the Supreme Court correctly, the reason they denied the stay of execution was
22/09/2011 08:25:14 PM
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I completely support the Death Penalty without question.....
22/09/2011 08:27:54 PM
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Unreasonable doubt is impossible to eliminate.
22/09/2011 09:54:43 PM
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Doubt can be eliminated.....any question about Dalmer?
23/09/2011 01:00:52 PM
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Maybe he was framed by an enemy, government conspiracy or aliens.
23/09/2011 01:54:21 PM
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Jigga what? *NM*
23/09/2011 03:36:07 PM
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"I do not know if I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly or am now a butterfly..."
23/09/2011 06:50:34 PM
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Circumstantial evidence is not, I believe, a bar to conviction.
22/09/2011 09:43:56 PM
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Regarding the salvation thing, that is an argument FOR the death penalty, in my mind.
22/09/2011 11:37:16 PM
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That motive is seflish and thus fatal.
23/09/2011 01:17:00 AM
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Bullshit
25/09/2011 03:53:05 AM
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Where do YOU get the idea that imperfect contrition is good enough?
25/09/2011 02:29:18 PM
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Thank God you're not an evangelist.
23/09/2011 02:59:06 PM
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And I pity the souls you have ministered to. They're in for a rude shock at their judgement
25/09/2011 04:01:05 AM
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lol roman catholicism *NM*
25/09/2011 04:39:55 AM
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Not just Roman Catholics, y'know, everyone who thinks God was not BSing about judgement.
25/09/2011 09:47:12 PM
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lol hellfire and brimstone *NM*
26/09/2011 12:12:28 AM
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I suppose in a consequences free world everything is a source of amusement.
26/09/2011 12:33:14 AM
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You really don't understand irony, do you? Particularly as it applies to your post about this case.
22/09/2011 11:26:49 PM
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23/09/2011 08:21:38 AM
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A list of anecdotal wrongs does not prove anything. If convictions can be wrong, so can exonerations *NM*
25/09/2011 04:03:26 AM
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sorry if i don't have time to link to every thing i've read on the subject
23/09/2011 02:54:50 PM
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Well I would think you would have picked an article that offers some iota of proof of his innocence.
25/09/2011 04:14:45 AM
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Well, I wouldn't call eyewitness accounts circumstancial evidence.
23/09/2011 11:45:48 PM
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Nor would I, but I've heard that lawyers say, "an eye witness is the worst witness you can have."
25/09/2011 03:23:53 PM
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