and how much actual combat have these units seen?
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 22/09/2011 02:40:50 PM
The problem with females in combat isn't the worry that soldiers will have sex. It is that sexual relationships will undermine the unit cohesion. If your sergeant is banging the new private or even wants to what are the chances he will make her take point or will fall apart emotionally if her brains end up all over his shirt? What are the odds that the walking point thinks the sergeant is treating the pretty young thing in the unit better then him? For good or bad American men are taught that real men protect and care for women the know and love. Most Marines like to think of themselves as real men.
From my own personal experience even in none combat position females tend to get special treatment and do less work. In the Marine the term for a female was WM, Woman Marine, the standing joke was it stood for Waste of Money and there is a reason most everyone got the joke.
Sorry but how many combat fatalities have the Swedes seen in those twenty years? Better yet how many have they inflicted? I don't think the Swedish army can serve as a role model for a modern fighting force. But you are right in the sense if you have a women can fight in a modern but that doesn't mean that if you have a surplus of people looking to join the military you wouldn't have a better fighting force with mixed force then you would with a female force. I don't think any modern military has had a sustained campaign with females in the front line.
From my own personal experience even in none combat position females tend to get special treatment and do less work. In the Marine the term for a female was WM, Woman Marine, the standing joke was it stood for Waste of Money and there is a reason most everyone got the joke.
Sorry but how many combat fatalities have the Swedes seen in those twenty years? Better yet how many have they inflicted? I don't think the Swedish army can serve as a role model for a modern fighting force. But you are right in the sense if you have a women can fight in a modern but that doesn't mean that if you have a surplus of people looking to join the military you wouldn't have a better fighting force with mixed force then you would with a female force. I don't think any modern military has had a sustained campaign with females in the front line.
USMC first to fight
21/09/2011 03:36:17 PM
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In my imagination it went down something like this:
21/09/2011 04:22:08 PM
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There could be some truth to that
21/09/2011 04:34:36 PM
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They need military chaplains, right? *NM*
21/09/2011 04:36:06 PM
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not in the marines
21/09/2011 04:45:48 PM
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I had a friend who was a Navy chaplain attached to the Marine Corps.
21/09/2011 07:23:10 PM
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I thought nothing could make the Swedish "dress blues" look worse than it already does.
21/09/2011 04:40:08 PM
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Very interesting, but encouraging.
21/09/2011 08:28:38 PM
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The answer on women in combat:
21/09/2011 10:07:04 PM
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I still worry about how the men will react.
22/09/2011 02:33:15 AM
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Well, you can worry about what might happen.
22/09/2011 09:17:02 AM
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and how much actual combat have these units seen?
22/09/2011 02:40:50 PM
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Sweden has not been involved in many hot conflicts during those years, no
22/09/2011 05:04:26 PM
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The real test will be when a country with a non-discriminatory military fights a major war.
22/09/2011 04:00:12 PM
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The other branches could benefit in a lot of ways by trying to emulate the Marines
22/09/2011 03:25:16 PM
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Probably.
22/09/2011 04:33:49 PM
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The Lynndie England case makes my point
22/09/2011 06:16:32 PM
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The Lynndie England case is debatable.
22/09/2011 07:28:53 PM
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sorry not interested in arguing rhetoric *NM*
22/09/2011 09:01:04 PM
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The US Army Field Manual is policy, not rhetoric.
22/09/2011 09:44:58 PM
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no Joel the rheotoric is all you
22/09/2011 10:45:29 PM
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Quoting someone is not rhetoric; I am honestly flabbergasted that we are still debating that fact.
22/09/2011 11:12:29 PM
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This kind of reminds me of Full Metal Jacket...
21/09/2011 10:49:57 PM
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Re: This kind of reminds me of Full Metal Jacket...
21/09/2011 11:14:38 PM
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"I bet you could suck a golfball through a garden hose" was NOT a compliment?
22/09/2011 11:25:43 PM
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The only really great thing about that movies is he sounded so much like a drill instructor
22/09/2011 03:01:13 PM
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I doubt the sort of person who is interested in the Marines will particularly care about being PC
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22/09/2011 10:34:11 PM
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no but they care a lot about having PC forced on the them which happens all the time
22/09/2011 10:41:13 PM
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