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OK thanks *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM
If the exterior of the building was supplying most of the structural strength for the building then cutting a wide narrow gash in the side would significantly weaken the structure. The kinetic energy of the plane may not have had much of affect on the total mass of the building but it could have had a large impact on the section it hit. The kinetic energy of an ax is nothing compared to a tree but it is concentrated to one area it will bring the tree down.

You take the whole top 20 floors of a 100 story build and smash them up into rubble the lower 80 are still holding the same amount of weight, of course if you dump all that rubble on one spot of floor on floor 79 it's likely to fall through to 78 and carry that weight plus the floor down to 77 and so on, smashing and damaging as it goes, but that's another story. Whacking at the top of a tree with an ax generally will not knock it over. That's not to say the strike and accompanying damage weren't a factor, or that supports which might otherwise be fairly insulated from melting might not get exposed more directly through cracks from the strike, but I couldn't see it making much difference. I think people over complicate this, grab an old roof antenna or something else metal with lots of bits or spokes or whatever, and hang weight off it, non flammable weight, it sags a bit and stabilizes, now pour rubbing alcohol of kerosene on it and light it up, it will sag more and at a certain point bits are likely to snap off, then smack other bits on the way down and snap them off. Wrapping it up stone or whatever helps keeps the burning fuel off the metal but a good smack might open cracks for it to get in, and even without that, insulation generally works both ways, so to speak.

It's entirely possible that without all the broken windows, since those would have been sturdy material themselves, a fire couldn't have gotten air fast enough to heat the building up, I mean you need a god awful lot of oxygen to run a fire big and hot enough to do that, honestly off the top of my head I'd guess that breaking all those windows - along with delivery the fuel - were the only two real significant 'impacts' of the planes impact... however I am not an engineer or architect, so grain of salt and all. You figure as maybe previous fires in skyscrapers, Towering Inferno and all, probably contained enough flammable material in terms of raw heat production to parallel several thousand pounds of jet fuel but just couldn't get enough air to burn it fast enough to melt supports, couldn't really say.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1212 Views
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This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 750 Views
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humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 679 Views
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Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 728 Views
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Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 352 Views
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Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 718 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 708 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 696 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 734 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 714 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 386 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 762 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 620 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 785 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 644 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 676 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 719 Views
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I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 782 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 384 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 678 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 299 Views
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