If the exterior of the building was supplying most of the structural strength for the building then cutting a wide narrow gash in the side would significantly weaken the structure. The kinetic energy of the plane may not have had much of affect on the total mass of the building but it could have had a large impact on the section it hit. The kinetic energy of an ax is nothing compared to a tree but it is concentrated to one area it will bring the tree down.
You take the whole top 20 floors of a 100 story build and smash them up into rubble the lower 80 are still holding the same amount of weight, of course if you dump all that rubble on one spot of floor on floor 79 it's likely to fall through to 78 and carry that weight plus the floor down to 77 and so on, smashing and damaging as it goes, but that's another story. Whacking at the top of a tree with an ax generally will not knock it over. That's not to say the strike and accompanying damage weren't a factor, or that supports which might otherwise be fairly insulated from melting might not get exposed more directly through cracks from the strike, but I couldn't see it making much difference. I think people over complicate this, grab an old roof antenna or something else metal with lots of bits or spokes or whatever, and hang weight off it, non flammable weight, it sags a bit and stabilizes, now pour rubbing alcohol of kerosene on it and light it up, it will sag more and at a certain point bits are likely to snap off, then smack other bits on the way down and snap them off. Wrapping it up stone or whatever helps keeps the burning fuel off the metal but a good smack might open cracks for it to get in, and even without that, insulation generally works both ways, so to speak.
It's entirely possible that without all the broken windows, since those would have been sturdy material themselves, a fire couldn't have gotten air fast enough to heat the building up, I mean you need a god awful lot of oxygen to run a fire big and hot enough to do that, honestly off the top of my head I'd guess that breaking all those windows - along with delivery the fuel - were the only two real significant 'impacts' of the planes impact... however I am not an engineer or architect, so grain of salt and all. You figure as maybe previous fires in skyscrapers, Towering Inferno and all, probably contained enough flammable material in terms of raw heat production to parallel several thousand pounds of jet fuel but just couldn't get enough air to burn it fast enough to melt supports, couldn't really say.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 21/09/2011 at 04:10:27 AM
We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM
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Logic classes would be good in schools.
20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM
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Ugh.
20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM
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Re: Ugh.
21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM
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Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway.
21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM
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this is a controlled demolition
21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM
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I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses.
21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM
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Agreed
20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM
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I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others.
21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM
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I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice
20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM
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There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed
20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM
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No, there is not.
20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM
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Well, the circumstances were odd at least
20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM
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As far as conspiracies go ...
20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM
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what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid?
20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM
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I'm not sure you got my gist.
20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM
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I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11
20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM
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Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence.
20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
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Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed
20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM
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But that's what I DID argue.
20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM
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sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms
21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM
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I've always seen them as separate.
21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM
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And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member.
21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM
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I'm still annoyed.
21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM
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I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate
21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM
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and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy
21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM
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Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank.
21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM
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In addition:
20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
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Contemplate this....
20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM
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You just did not go Star Trek on me
20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM
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You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen.
20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM
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Make 'em all take debate.
20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM
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Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools.
21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM
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Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM
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Not actually the best example
21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM
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what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building?
21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM
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Wouldn't make much difference
21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM
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The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted.
21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM
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Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...?
21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM
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You would force Euler on to the masses?
21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM
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You could still argue.
21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM
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I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person
21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM
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Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math.
21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM
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Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid.
21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM
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I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but...
21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM
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Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone
21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM
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