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In addition: Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
The 2000 report contained the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor."

They didn't have anything to do with 9/11, but the event was the new Pearl Harbor for the neo-conservatives who were supporters and members of PNAC, allowing them to advance the process of working toward their military/political goals, starting with Iraq.

Signatories to PNAC's statement of principles included not only Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, but Cheney and Jeb Bush. In all, 18 PNAC members became part of the Bush administration.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1272 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 820 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 841 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 773 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 778 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 891 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 802 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 822 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 726 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 891 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 765 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 727 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 833 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 819 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 923 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 804 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 873 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 717 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 728 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 785 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 842 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 829 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 803 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 807 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 671 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 814 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 778 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 879 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 713 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 707 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 739 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 776 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 820 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 828 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 855 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 803 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 833 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 784 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 810 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 846 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 824 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 779 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 799 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 790 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 893 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 885 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 821 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 735 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 808 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 774 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 894 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 372 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 743 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 780 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 767 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 757 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 805 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 779 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 411 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 988 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 828 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 677 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 851 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 713 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 745 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 786 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 722 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 839 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 406 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 743 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 323 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 983 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 780 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 945 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 758 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 751 Views
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