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In addition: Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
The 2000 report contained the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor."

They didn't have anything to do with 9/11, but the event was the new Pearl Harbor for the neo-conservatives who were supporters and members of PNAC, allowing them to advance the process of working toward their military/political goals, starting with Iraq.

Signatories to PNAC's statement of principles included not only Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, but Cheney and Jeb Bush. In all, 18 PNAC members became part of the Bush administration.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1344 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 891 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 920 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 844 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 843 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 960 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 903 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 918 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 802 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 961 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 847 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 788 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 920 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 900 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 995 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 869 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 973 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 791 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 833 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 847 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 908 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 889 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 867 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 904 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 735 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 897 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 835 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 958 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 775 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 778 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 814 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 862 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 892 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 970 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 917 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 865 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 909 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 857 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 877 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 944 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 918 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 840 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 864 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 881 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 962 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 956 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 914 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 815 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 890 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 839 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 970 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 402 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 839 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 862 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 856 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 831 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 866 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 855 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 445 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1053 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 888 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 749 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 910 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 786 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 809 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 876 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 791 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 932 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 434 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 827 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 376 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1056 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 852 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 1029 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 826 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 856 Views
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