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In addition: Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM
The 2000 report contained the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor."

They didn't have anything to do with 9/11, but the event was the new Pearl Harbor for the neo-conservatives who were supporters and members of PNAC, allowing them to advance the process of working toward their military/political goals, starting with Iraq.

Signatories to PNAC's statement of principles included not only Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, but Cheney and Jeb Bush. In all, 18 PNAC members became part of the Bush administration.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1302 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 847 Views
Ugh. Ghavrel - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 875 Views
Re: Ugh. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 803 Views
Something tells me that no matter who answered your questions you wouldn't believe anyway. everynametaken - 21/09/2011 02:16:52 AM 809 Views
this is a controlled demolition Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 922 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Tom - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 856 Views
I've seen controlled demolitions in person. They happen in the opposite order of the WTC collapses. Ghavrel - 21/09/2011 03:54:35 AM 853 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. ironclad - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 754 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. Timthetrolloc - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 919 Views
Agreed Camilla - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 791 Views
I've long advocated this for the reasons Tom states as well as others. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:49:28 AM 754 Views
I don't know if the Internet is degrading skills, or just giving stupid people a voice beetnemesis - 20/09/2011 02:33:24 PM 861 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 847 Views
No, there is not. Tom - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 951 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 833 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... Nate - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 902 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 747 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. Nate - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 759 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 812 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 869 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 852 Views
But that's what I DID argue. Nate - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 834 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 837 Views
I've always seen them as separate. Nate - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 699 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it random thoughts - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 844 Views
Heh. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 803 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. Joel - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 905 Views
I'm still annoyed. Nate - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 741 Views
I stopped responfding when suddenly realized I didn't want to be in a Bush Iraq war debate random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:53:29 PM 737 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 768 Views
and I pointed that it was was just continuin gthe Clinton policy random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:30:13 PM 806 Views
Even if that were true, it would still be flip flopping on a central Bush platform plank. Joel - 21/09/2011 05:45:10 PM 849 Views
In addition: Nate - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 905 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact random thoughts - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 881 Views
This is very frustrating. Nate - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 831 Views
For the war on terror? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 861 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? random thoughts - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 812 Views
That contradicts the evidence. Tom - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 840 Views
Excuse me? Macharius - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 878 Views
Huh? Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 879 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 808 Views
Contemplate this.... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 830 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me Dark Knight - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 824 Views
And how did you know... Jeordam - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 923 Views
Re: And how did you know... Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 912 Views
You should watch the pilot episode of the X-Files spin-off series The Lone Gunmen. TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 08:19:15 PM 851 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking random thoughts - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 767 Views
Won't help Praziquantel - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 836 Views
Make 'em all take debate. nossy - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 803 Views
Would madam like a cane? Elaine - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 920 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 384 Views
Do you think it would help? aerocontrols - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 773 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 814 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Tom - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 793 Views
Not actually the best example Isaac - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 788 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? random thoughts - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 833 Views
Wouldn't make much difference Isaac - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 811 Views
OK thanks *NM* random thoughts - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 422 Views
The fireproofing was scraped off the steel by the crash, so the beams melted. Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:35:08 PM 1012 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? Timthetrolloc - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 850 Views
But how else would they fall down? Aeryn - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 709 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 877 Views
You could still argue. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 741 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person Two Wongs - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 776 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 817 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. Vivien - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 751 Views
I love geometry proofs. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 871 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* LaSombra - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 420 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. Vivien - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 770 Views
+1 *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 337 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. jh - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 1013 Views
Ha. Ha. Vivien - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 812 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. Tom - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 981 Views
I really and truly appreciate your love of pure math for math's sake, but... Tom - 21/09/2011 11:10:03 PM 791 Views
Well, it requires a lot more science to really dispute things than HS can give someone Isaac - 21/09/2011 11:28:29 PM 783 Views
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