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Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. Nate Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM
I assume you know about the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)?

A think-tank that consisted of high level so-called neo-conservatives who developed papers and reports and letters that indicated the United States should, for example, attack Iraq. The same high level neo-conservatives who became an integral part of the Bush administration. Am I to assume you think it was a coincidence that the Bush administration that decided to invade Iraq was made up of the people who advocated attacking Iraq throughout the late 90s?

PNAC's stated goals were:

- we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

- we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

- we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]

- we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

In 1998 they drafted an open letter to President Clinton, signed by Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, among others, urging that he authorize an attack on Iraq in order to depose Hussein. They said that they believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and would pose a threat to US interests in the Middle East if he were left alone.

In 2000 PNAC published a report advocating the strengthening of US military force for both the purposes of defense and the purposes of shaping international politics and performing "constabulary" duties in critical regions. Regarding Iraq, the report said that the military would be justified in occupying Iraq and that this would be a good course of action in order to create a substantial US military presence in the Middle East and to counter the growing threat of Iran.

Within 9 days of 9/11, PNAC appealed to President Bush to attack Iraq. Throughout 2002 they continued to advocate this, saying that leaving Hussein in power was a "surrender to terrorism".

Given that PNAC was a neo-conservative effort supported by individuals who became members of the Bush administration, I think it is fairly reasonable to believe that said administration used the good grace and national anger created by 9/11 to advance the goal of invading Iraq for international political/military reasons.

I am not in this post giving any opinion either way about the rightness or wrongness of that line of thinking, and once again I repeat that I don't think the US had anything to do with 9/11, but I think it's pretty clear that the Bush administration took advantage of the general sentiment among the American people following 9/11 to advance their goals related to Iraq. After all, you said yourself that there is very little actual connection between the events of 9/11 and Iraq (and I agree). But the administration were linking Iraq with their war on terror and with domestic safety issues, in order to get the American people to agree with it for what the administration felt would be the greater overall good of the nation's future.

It may be true that Bush, the man, himself may not have had any inclination to attack Iraq before 9/11, but it's fairly obvious that some of the advisors he surrounded himself with wanted exactly that, and 9/11 gave them the justification to really push for it.
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We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 20/09/2011 06:50:36 AM 1213 Views
Logic classes would be good in schools. - 20/09/2011 10:23:56 AM 762 Views
Ugh. - 20/09/2011 11:30:59 AM 749 Views
Re: Ugh. - 21/09/2011 12:03:31 AM 708 Views
this is a controlled demolition - 21/09/2011 12:20:09 AM 830 Views
That is an incredibly stupid argument. - 21/09/2011 01:12:38 AM 737 Views
Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 12:22:22 PM 676 Views
Re: Asking questions is never wrong. - 20/09/2011 11:57:04 PM 824 Views
Agreed - 20/09/2011 01:09:40 PM 705 Views
There is compelling evidence that 9/11 was not what it seemed - 20/09/2011 03:06:58 PM 792 Views
No, there is not. - 20/09/2011 03:19:43 PM 869 Views
Well, the circumstances were odd at least - 20/09/2011 03:26:40 PM 749 Views
As far as conspiracies go ... - 20/09/2011 03:36:35 PM 811 Views
what would be the motive for the US doing something that stupid? - 20/09/2011 04:40:31 PM 671 Views
I'm not sure you got my gist. - 20/09/2011 04:46:28 PM 674 Views
I don't think there is any evidience that Bush wanted to attack Iraq before 9-11 - 20/09/2011 05:21:09 PM 727 Views
Um. Well, sure, that would be true. If you ignored all the evidence. - 20/09/2011 05:45:23 PM 781 Views
Well if you had argued that some Bush advisers wanted to attack Iraq I would have agreed - 20/09/2011 06:35:07 PM 764 Views
But that's what I DID argue. - 20/09/2011 06:47:17 PM 752 Views
sorry but you need to be more precise in your terms - 21/09/2011 02:37:36 PM 748 Views
I've always seen them as separate. - 21/09/2011 03:33:14 PM 599 Views
and that is why I decided to drop it - 21/09/2011 04:07:02 PM 756 Views
Heh. - 21/09/2011 04:15:34 PM 710 Views
And the explicit statement of a Bush Cabinet member. - 21/09/2011 06:59:47 AM 842 Views
I'm still annoyed. - 21/09/2011 01:58:38 PM 656 Views
Admitting error is a sign of weakness; Don Draper said so. - 21/09/2011 05:37:31 PM 684 Views
In addition: - 20/09/2011 05:57:33 PM 764 Views
sorry but that is nothing more than a simple statement of fact - 20/09/2011 06:40:51 PM 799 Views
This is very frustrating. - 20/09/2011 07:05:48 PM 750 Views
For the war on terror? - 20/09/2011 04:49:12 PM 773 Views
And what was the war on terror supposed to accomplish? - 20/09/2011 05:12:11 PM 725 Views
That contradicts the evidence. - 20/09/2011 06:15:48 PM 746 Views
Excuse me? - 20/09/2011 08:22:21 PM 776 Views
Huh? - 20/09/2011 08:57:14 PM 766 Views
the problem with any other theory is the make no sense - 20/09/2011 04:36:02 PM 721 Views
Contemplate this.... - 20/09/2011 04:27:52 PM 739 Views
You just did not go Star Trek on me - 20/09/2011 04:44:28 PM 734 Views
And how did you know... - 20/09/2011 05:17:10 PM 834 Views
Re: And how did you know... - 21/09/2011 12:16:26 AM 826 Views
humans tend to be very bad at critical thinking - 20/09/2011 04:58:43 PM 679 Views
Won't help - 20/09/2011 08:15:36 PM 749 Views
Make 'em all take debate. - 20/09/2011 08:23:37 PM 729 Views
Would madam like a cane? - 20/09/2011 09:19:53 PM 827 Views
Maybe a walker with tennis balls on the bottom. *NM* - 20/09/2011 10:33:39 PM 352 Views
Do you think it would help? - 21/09/2011 12:09:42 AM 693 Views
Re: We really need to have Logic as a course in high schools. - 21/09/2011 12:10:08 AM 718 Views
Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 01:05:18 AM 709 Views
Not actually the best example - 21/09/2011 01:56:03 AM 696 Views
what about the hole it cut into the frame of the building? - 21/09/2011 03:23:07 AM 735 Views
Wouldn't make much difference - 21/09/2011 04:08:27 AM 714 Views
OK thanks *NM* - 21/09/2011 02:55:52 PM 386 Views
Re: Yeah, and the 100,000 pounds of sudden extra weight slammed into the towers at 400 mph...? - 21/09/2011 03:02:19 AM 762 Views
But how else would they fall down? - 21/09/2011 07:42:27 PM 620 Views
You would force Euler on to the masses? - 21/09/2011 03:21:40 PM 786 Views
You could still argue. - 21/09/2011 04:06:51 PM 645 Views
I didn't mean to imply that it is no fun to argue with a like-minded person - 21/09/2011 04:15:47 PM 677 Views
Eh, nobody uses pure logic all of the time anyway. - 21/09/2011 10:43:51 PM 719 Views
Or they could just do more math. Cold, hard, beautiful math. - 21/09/2011 04:01:05 PM 668 Views
I love geometry proofs. - 21/09/2011 04:10:57 PM 782 Views
Me too <3 proofs! *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:55:38 PM 384 Views
For pure enjoyment, here's a non math version. - 21/09/2011 10:10:40 PM 678 Views
+1 *NM* - 21/09/2011 07:59:57 PM 299 Views
Now we are talking... Everyone can benefit from some basic Euclid. - 21/09/2011 08:32:17 PM 926 Views
Ha. Ha. - 21/09/2011 09:56:38 PM 725 Views
As a follower of Cthulhu, I strongly disagree. - 21/09/2011 11:13:55 PM 879 Views

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