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Ummm, did you read the article? Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 25/08/2011 08:40:46 PM
In general I find that I want to support the left's idea that we should try and help people who are disadvantaged improve their lives but the problem is that to many of their ideas actually make things worse and to often we see things like this where they are picking winners and losers based on who the like. When you look at our countries history it makes sense to want to help a black kid get into college but if you base things on race you ignore the fact that most of the poor in this country are white and can even end up helping rich black kid over a poor white one. Here we have a university wanting to increase diversity by offering scholarships to LGBT students. Is it because there are not enough LGBT students in in liberal arts schools or because this is a group they like and they really don't care about need or diversity and they just use those ideas to sugar coat their bias? If they wanted to actually increase the diversity in their school they would encourage conservatives to go there but I would bet they would shutter at the idea of real diversity of thought being brought into their campus. With this kind of flawed logic from out university it isn't hard to see why we have a growing disregard for the intellectual class in this country. Maybe if they had more intelligence and less ideology they would be held in higher regard.


From what I see, you are saying that this University is doing a bad thing by offering scholarships to LGBT students, in order to increase the diversity of the student body, when instead they should only be offering scholarships to the people that are intellectually above everyone else, regardless of their sexual orientation.

BUT.

The article clearly states that while it seeks to attract diversity through offering the scholarship,
Prospective freshmen and transfer students applying for the 2012 fall semester will become the first group of applicants to check “yes,” “no” or “prefer not to answer.” Their answers will not play a role in the admissions process.


It seems like that the scholarship will only be given to people that are intellectually be capable of doing the work in any case. They are merely offering the scholarship to attract more LGBT applicants.

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A fine example of the fuzzy logic of the left random thoughts - 25/08/2011 06:30:36 PM 1013 Views
Personally I still favor demographic blind subsidies as the best route to meritocracy. Joel - 25/08/2011 08:18:20 PM 597 Views
it works for gender as well random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:02:58 PM 610 Views
Sure; insert your demographic here. Joel - 26/08/2011 12:51:48 AM 653 Views
Preferential in possible scholarships but not admissions process according to the article Roland00 - 25/08/2011 10:26:25 PM 510 Views
What's your point? Joel - 26/08/2011 12:54:41 AM 490 Views
There are colleges that don't allow homosexuals - or men, or women for that matter. Legolas - 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM 595 Views
Alright then, socially unacceptable. Joel - 26/08/2011 01:00:16 AM 626 Views
Ummm, did you read the article? Great Lord of Chaos - 25/08/2011 08:40:46 PM 659 Views
Ah, but you are not reading it either Dark Knight - 25/08/2011 08:53:39 PM 675 Views
But that's just a scholarship. Great Lord of Chaos - 25/08/2011 09:34:23 PM 634 Views
so you would OK if the only offered it to straight students? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:50:44 PM 231 Views
You do realize that there are indeed universities refusing admission to gay students? Legolas - 25/08/2011 10:02:41 PM 505 Views
I would have no problem with a LGBT only school as long as it didn't take state money random thoughts - 25/08/2011 10:27:48 PM 561 Views
This is a private university, not a state university *NM* Roland00 - 25/08/2011 10:29:15 PM 264 Views
sorry that ended with NM. Were you trying to make a point if so I missed it *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2011 10:40:48 PM 277 Views
I expect some donor created a scholarship with that stipulation. Tim - 25/08/2011 10:40:09 PM 591 Views
I know my reply to his message may have made in seem that I was objecting to the scholarship random thoughts - 25/08/2011 11:10:33 PM 614 Views
If you're talking about "affirmative action", then yes, I oppose that. Tim - 26/08/2011 09:19:33 AM 547 Views
no I was talking about feel good solutions to imaginary problems random thoughts - 26/08/2011 01:38:33 PM 616 Views
it is a scholarship program not a admissions program random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:12:47 PM 622 Views
I don't really have a problem with this Isaac - 25/08/2011 09:03:55 PM 698 Views
I am not arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to do it random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:29:54 PM 521 Views
Fair Enough Isaac - 25/08/2011 09:41:25 PM 565 Views
The United Church of Christ is a rather liberal denomination - celebrating gay marriages, notably. Legolas - 25/08/2011 10:06:26 PM 531 Views
their stated motive was to increase diversity random thoughts - 25/08/2011 10:09:17 PM 689 Views
well. It could be they just needed a reason, but for some reason couldn't be forthright? LadyLorraine - 26/08/2011 03:28:52 AM 526 Views
One of your lines struck me. Nate - 25/08/2011 10:12:32 PM 664 Views
that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result random thoughts - 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM 506 Views
That's an interesting point... Legolas - 25/08/2011 10:37:37 PM 593 Views
yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different random thoughts - 25/08/2011 11:32:19 PM 706 Views
Re: yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different Legolas - 26/08/2011 09:57:13 PM 608 Views
Re: that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result Nate - 25/08/2011 10:55:29 PM 613 Views
I don't think most people believed Obama was a centrist so much as the anti-Bush random thoughts - 26/08/2011 12:40:43 AM 537 Views
I think you'll find very few Europeans agreeing with that assessment. Legolas - 26/08/2011 10:18:19 PM 511 Views
It's also worth noting ... Nate - 25/08/2011 11:00:35 PM 491 Views
Wow what a strawman Roland00 - 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM 683 Views
yes to bad none of that address the point I was making which would make your argument a strawman random thoughts - 25/08/2011 10:40:01 PM 468 Views
No I do not believe they are needed, nor do I believe they should be desired Roland00 - 25/08/2011 10:47:51 PM 662 Views
so you don't disagree with me or you do? random thoughts - 25/08/2011 11:47:05 PM 614 Views
Ridiculous. Everyone knows conservatives are incapable of creativity. TaskmasterJack - 25/08/2011 11:12:10 PM 484 Views
are they going to make students prove they are GLBT? random thoughts - 25/08/2011 11:36:58 PM 550 Views
I would definetly check "yes" Aisha - 26/08/2011 12:11:29 AM 673 Views
but if they wanted to increase diversity they would offer yo a scholarship for being Muslim random thoughts - 26/08/2011 12:46:46 AM 529 Views
id be a gay muslim, so Id be 3 minorities, a woman, a muslim and a lesbian, now if only I was black! Aisha - 26/08/2011 02:16:50 AM 604 Views
I think it's less a failing of the "left"... LadyLorraine - 26/08/2011 03:25:42 AM 614 Views
I agree there is a lot of fuzzy logic on the right as well random thoughts - 26/08/2011 02:41:03 PM 550 Views
*nod* I don't deny that it's a problem LadyLorraine - 26/08/2011 04:26:56 PM 662 Views
a question for you... Dominic - 26/08/2011 08:08:10 PM 722 Views
I guess my question for you is how I made it sound like LGBT=liberal random thoughts - 26/08/2011 09:47:16 PM 509 Views
My guess is because you referenced "the lefts" fuzzy logic in a thread about a LGBT scholarship. Joel - 26/08/2011 11:07:32 PM 669 Views
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