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It's a an amusing disconnect to watch. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/08/2011 12:25:00 AM
Of course, some argue that conflation is far from novel. ;)

It's become my standard method of pointing out the silliness that comes when people use 'space aliens' as stand-in as proxies for themselves, if only they had more power. When people do it with God, it's very recognizable. Folks who deplore the religious for doing it should learn to recognize when they're doing the same thing.

I've met lots of people who took one for granted while dismissing the other as implausible fantasy; I often wonder what the ratio is at any given time. :P
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If ever there was a reason to cut greenhouse gas emissions Camilla - 19/08/2011 10:14:00 AM 863 Views
I've seen Start Trek, I know the real threat is you killing whales. snoopcester - 19/08/2011 10:34:08 AM 520 Views
I know Camilla - 19/08/2011 10:36:22 AM 470 Views
You make a fair point snoopcester - 19/08/2011 11:22:53 AM 445 Views
Re: You make a fair point Camilla - 19/08/2011 02:06:05 PM 420 Views
Re: You make a fair point snoopcester - 19/08/2011 02:10:43 PM 419 Views
It's the other other white meat. Joel - 19/08/2011 07:13:19 PM 474 Views
There's so much wrong with that Isaac - 19/08/2011 01:08:57 PM 500 Views
"They don't recycle; kill them all. " Joel - 19/08/2011 07:11:15 PM 496 Views
Very Space Hippy Isaac - 19/08/2011 10:39:10 PM 513 Views
It's still debatable whether we've abandoned the evolutionary ladder. Joel - 19/08/2011 11:16:58 PM 590 Views
You'll welcome to debate that with a biologist, it's not my specialty or interest Isaac - 20/08/2011 04:46:43 AM 545 Views
I've seen a lot of mainstream biologists suggest human evolution may be mostly mental now. Joel - 21/08/2011 11:32:48 AM 562 Views
Neither of us are biologists though and it's not really relveant anyway Isaac - 21/08/2011 01:21:06 PM 504 Views
I'm not ignoring it, just wondering why over half the planet ignores it and lives in misery. Joel - 21/08/2011 01:55:53 PM 519 Views
If you have occassion to spend time in those places you'll know why Isaac - 21/08/2011 02:38:44 PM 450 Views
How does literal mud huts as the norm respresent living standards rising "a lot". Joel - 22/08/2011 12:29:35 AM 570 Views
You seem to have cherry-picked what you wanted to hear out of my comments Isaac - 22/08/2011 01:07:10 AM 342 Views
"It's a stability thing, not a Western greed thing" seemed to encapsulate your comments. Joel - 22/08/2011 03:10:17 PM 479 Views
Only if you really cherry pick them Isaac - 23/08/2011 02:48:08 AM 492 Views
This seems to have descended into an insoluble partisan debate. Joel - 23/08/2011 07:43:07 PM 554 Views
You're the one who dragged it to that Isaac - 23/08/2011 08:10:03 PM 468 Views
Did I? Joel - 25/08/2011 10:18:29 PM 460 Views
*rudely butts in* Vodalus - 23/08/2011 04:38:33 AM 534 Views
American companies don't go to China SOLELY to screw the working class, no;that's largely incidental Joel - 25/08/2011 08:03:05 PM 583 Views
we should abdon the myth of the evolutionary ladder random thoughts - 20/08/2011 11:49:35 PM 383 Views
Probably; as discussed in Brams thread it should never be seen as predictive, let alone prophetic. Joel - 21/08/2011 11:55:09 AM 492 Views
Well, for this context I think the use is okay Isaac - 21/08/2011 11:59:19 AM 463 Views
That's an interesting point about the NEED for fossil fuels as a stepping stone to advanced culture. Joel - 21/08/2011 12:33:59 PM 562 Views
Not a need, just an edge Isaac - 21/08/2011 02:06:23 PM 377 Views
There's industrialization and then there's industrialization. Joel - 22/08/2011 12:53:35 AM 739 Views
If you were more familiar with engineering you'd not say something like that Isaac - 22/08/2011 01:53:33 AM 735 Views
I dispute that industrialization is primarily about non-agricultural production. Joel - 22/08/2011 03:10:19 PM 642 Views
Well you can argue that with a dictionary I suppose Isaac - 23/08/2011 03:50:52 AM 500 Views
I'm not above that, but the dictionary definitions I've found are disappointingly self-referential. Joel - 24/08/2011 02:25:21 AM 428 Views
That tends to be the case, it is a kinda vague term outside of specific context Isaac - 24/08/2011 09:12:19 AM 587 Views
Tends to moot that part of the debate though. Joel - 26/08/2011 12:31:21 AM 600 Views
Re: Tends to moot that part of the debate though. Isaac - 26/08/2011 05:52:59 PM 758 Views
Re: Tends to moot that part of the debate though. Joel - 28/08/2011 09:44:52 AM 543 Views
yes I was just jumping into the middle of the discussion. random thoughts - 22/08/2011 03:03:49 PM 423 Views
and we wonder why so many people ignore "scientist" random thoughts - 19/08/2011 01:17:38 PM 518 Views
Think it's better to ignore "reporters on a slow news day," to be honest *NM* beetnemesis - 19/08/2011 02:38:23 PM 191 Views
Or even acquire a sense of humour. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2011 08:36:07 PM 213 Views
That was the City of Pearl series by Karen Traviss Aeryn - 19/08/2011 02:04:51 PM 485 Views
Re: That was the City of Pearl series by Karen Traviss Camilla - 19/08/2011 02:06:27 PM 443 Views
Hypothetical aliens are perfectly wise aerocontrols - 19/08/2011 06:24:13 PM 432 Views
You may be confusing aliens with God. Joel - 19/08/2011 07:08:01 PM 458 Views
Not confused aerocontrols - 19/08/2011 11:41:56 PM 475 Views
It's a an amusing disconnect to watch. Joel - 20/08/2011 12:25:00 AM 472 Views
Naturally. Camilla - 19/08/2011 08:36:28 PM 560 Views
So, basically, we're the poor white trash of the universe. Joel - 19/08/2011 07:06:23 PM 519 Views
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