Even if you can only measure it after the fact, that doesn't mean it cannot be "predicted or tested."
You can't KNOW, or ACCURATELY predict ANYTHING that has never been tested before, but you can make predictions, do tests, and study the results. This would apply to determining whether a new trait is beneficial for a population of organisms as much as it would to anything else in science.
You can't KNOW, or ACCURATELY predict ANYTHING that has never been tested before, but you can make predictions, do tests, and study the results. This would apply to determining whether a new trait is beneficial for a population of organisms as much as it would to anything else in science.
Let's say that a new trait has been found, or made in a lab and you want to determin whether it is beneficial for a population (that is what you propose).
Oke, well, let's test it.
How shall we proceed? Well, there are various ways, we could introduce this new trait to either a lab environment with other individuals who do not have this trait and see who survives, or we can "let it loose" (either a single organism, or a small population of organisms we let reproduce in the lab).
Next, what can we measure. Well, we can measure if that trait is still present in the test population after X number of generations, let math do it's work to determine how much generations we need and how many individuals we need to test in order to determine the frequency with a reasonable amount of certainty.
There are several scenario's possible, but lets just pick 3 possible outcomes.
A) the trait has disappeared
B) the trait does still occur, but at a low frequency, about the same frequency it was there at the start
C) the trait occurs in (almost) all individuals
In case A we conclude: the trait was not beneficial, when B we conclude that it was (near) neutral and when C we conclude that it was beneficial.
Fine, but that only works IF natural selection is true in the tautological form. So we have not tested or proven (or disproven) natural selection.
Natural selection
06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM
- 980 Views
selection for suitability
06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM
- 632 Views
Thanks for your responce
06/08/2011 04:41:20 PM
- 747 Views
I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it:
06/08/2011 06:49:49 PM
- 677 Views
Just a question
06/08/2011 07:18:09 PM
- 680 Views
Yes it can
06/08/2011 07:41:59 PM
- 556 Views
But how?
06/08/2011 07:52:10 PM
- 750 Views
Re: Just a question
06/08/2011 07:49:21 PM
- 768 Views
I'm not sure I understand you
06/08/2011 08:20:44 PM
- 656 Views
All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies.
06/08/2011 09:38:12 PM
- 682 Views
Then it is still a tautology
06/08/2011 09:45:33 PM
- 693 Views
You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations.
06/08/2011 10:18:16 PM
- 788 Views
Maybe...
07/08/2011 01:55:54 PM
- 640 Views
I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions.
09/08/2011 12:45:46 AM
- 729 Views
we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment
09/08/2011 06:16:02 PM
- 792 Views
As I understand it
06/08/2011 06:04:44 PM
- 622 Views
Better...
06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM
- 607 Views
Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"?
06/08/2011 06:34:44 PM
- 743 Views
yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM*
09/08/2011 06:14:11 PM
- 293 Views
No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway.
09/08/2011 06:45:16 PM
- 671 Views
Hmmm... there's some truth to that
06/08/2011 06:36:35 PM
- 691 Views
The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify...
06/08/2011 08:26:06 PM
- 729 Views
The questions go deeper
06/08/2011 08:38:31 PM
- 725 Views
Re: The questions go deeper
06/08/2011 09:10:32 PM
- 700 Views
I think I know why you don't understand my question.
06/08/2011 09:38:41 PM
- 732 Views
How many equation's has Moraine screwed up? *NM*
06/08/2011 09:45:36 PM
- 303 Views
100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool *NM*
06/08/2011 09:46:54 PM
- 323 Views
Re: Natural selection
07/08/2011 03:00:30 AM
- 699 Views
Thanks a lot
07/08/2011 01:38:39 PM
- 840 Views
2 things
07/08/2011 04:00:35 PM
- 619 Views
Re: 2 things
07/08/2011 04:33:00 PM
- 828 Views
Re: 2 things
07/08/2011 05:48:26 PM
- 644 Views
My best guess
07/08/2011 06:00:28 PM
- 676 Views
Re: My best guess
07/08/2011 06:37:58 PM
- 616 Views
Re: My best guess
07/08/2011 06:47:26 PM
- 765 Views