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Better... Bramhodoulos Send a noteboard - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM
Animals with traits that are beneficial to the environment can live longer and potentially contribute more to the gene pool.

The latter is all that matters (biological fitness, or how many viable offspring are produced) in natural selection. Lifespan and any greater purpose (benefit to the environment) are not applicable.


As I see your revision it seems you are more careful in describing NS, but does your view on NS escape being a tautology?
Since contributing to the gene pool is the only definition you give, it either has no result (the author calls that a 'lame' definition, since it isolates the proces of NS so that it no longer tries to explain evolution), or the result is a difference in the gene pool (that is: a difference in the frequencies of genes) after one or several generations, and then we have a tautology again.
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Natural selection Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM 979 Views
selection for suitability LadyLorraine - 06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM 631 Views
Thanks for your responce Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 04:41:20 PM 746 Views
I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it: Joel - 06/08/2011 06:49:49 PM 676 Views
Just a question Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:18:09 PM 679 Views
Yes it can ßelals Girl - 06/08/2011 07:41:59 PM 555 Views
But how? Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:52:10 PM 749 Views
Okay, I think I see what you're saying ßelals Girl - 08/08/2011 05:30:43 PM 565 Views
Close Bramhodoulos - 08/08/2011 05:41:46 PM 757 Views
Re: Just a question Joel - 06/08/2011 07:49:21 PM 768 Views
I'm not sure I understand you Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:20:44 PM 655 Views
All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies. Joel - 06/08/2011 09:38:12 PM 681 Views
Then it is still a tautology Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:45:33 PM 692 Views
You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations. Joel - 06/08/2011 10:18:16 PM 788 Views
Maybe... Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:55:54 PM 639 Views
I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:45:46 AM 728 Views
we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:16:02 PM 791 Views
As I understand it Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 06:04:44 PM 621 Views
Better... Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM 607 Views
Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 10:13:51 PM 689 Views
Re: Actually Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 10:37:33 PM 833 Views
Re: Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 11:38:52 PM 754 Views
Oeh Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:54:19 PM 611 Views
Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"? Joel - 06/08/2011 06:34:44 PM 742 Views
yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:14:11 PM 292 Views
No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway. Joel - 09/08/2011 06:45:16 PM 671 Views
Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 06/08/2011 06:36:35 PM 690 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:08:25 PM 702 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 07/08/2011 12:46:23 AM 695 Views
The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify... jh - 06/08/2011 08:26:06 PM 729 Views
The questions go deeper Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:38:31 PM 724 Views
Re: The questions go deeper jh - 06/08/2011 09:10:32 PM 700 Views
I think I know why you don't understand my question. Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:38:41 PM 732 Views
How many equation's has Moraine screwed up? *NM* Isaac - 06/08/2011 09:45:36 PM 302 Views
100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool *NM* Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:46:54 PM 323 Views
TalkOrigins addresses this at length. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2011 11:14:52 PM 777 Views
Not very much, but interesting none the less Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 11:38:36 PM 774 Views
Re: Natural selection Night Walker - 07/08/2011 03:00:30 AM 698 Views
Thanks a lot Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:38:39 PM 839 Views
2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 04:00:35 PM 618 Views
Re: 2 things Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 04:33:00 PM 827 Views
Re: 2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 05:48:26 PM 643 Views
My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:00:28 PM 676 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 06:37:58 PM 615 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:47:26 PM 763 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 07:02:27 PM 611 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 09:09:57 PM 730 Views
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