Active Users:587 Time:23/12/2024 05:35:26 AM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
Better... Bramhodoulos Send a noteboard - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM
Animals with traits that are beneficial to the environment can live longer and potentially contribute more to the gene pool.

The latter is all that matters (biological fitness, or how many viable offspring are produced) in natural selection. Lifespan and any greater purpose (benefit to the environment) are not applicable.


As I see your revision it seems you are more careful in describing NS, but does your view on NS escape being a tautology?
Since contributing to the gene pool is the only definition you give, it either has no result (the author calls that a 'lame' definition, since it isolates the proces of NS so that it no longer tries to explain evolution), or the result is a difference in the gene pool (that is: a difference in the frequencies of genes) after one or several generations, and then we have a tautology again.
Reply to message
Natural selection Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM 992 Views
selection for suitability LadyLorraine - 06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM 643 Views
Thanks for your responce Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 04:41:20 PM 762 Views
I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it: Joel - 06/08/2011 06:49:49 PM 686 Views
Just a question Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:18:09 PM 690 Views
Yes it can ßelals Girl - 06/08/2011 07:41:59 PM 571 Views
But how? Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:52:10 PM 758 Views
Okay, I think I see what you're saying ßelals Girl - 08/08/2011 05:30:43 PM 579 Views
Close Bramhodoulos - 08/08/2011 05:41:46 PM 774 Views
Re: Just a question Joel - 06/08/2011 07:49:21 PM 779 Views
I'm not sure I understand you Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:20:44 PM 668 Views
All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies. Joel - 06/08/2011 09:38:12 PM 697 Views
Then it is still a tautology Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:45:33 PM 702 Views
You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations. Joel - 06/08/2011 10:18:16 PM 799 Views
Maybe... Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:55:54 PM 658 Views
I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions. Joel - 09/08/2011 12:45:46 AM 740 Views
we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:16:02 PM 813 Views
As I understand it Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 06:04:44 PM 633 Views
Better... Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM 616 Views
Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 10:13:51 PM 705 Views
Re: Actually Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 10:37:33 PM 847 Views
Re: Actually Praziquantel - 06/08/2011 11:38:52 PM 774 Views
Oeh Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:54:19 PM 623 Views
Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"? Joel - 06/08/2011 06:34:44 PM 754 Views
yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/08/2011 06:14:11 PM 299 Views
No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway. Joel - 09/08/2011 06:45:16 PM 683 Views
Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 06/08/2011 06:36:35 PM 704 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 07:08:25 PM 716 Views
Re: Hmmm... there's some truth to that Isaac - 07/08/2011 12:46:23 AM 705 Views
The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify... jh - 06/08/2011 08:26:06 PM 736 Views
The questions go deeper Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 08:38:31 PM 737 Views
Re: The questions go deeper jh - 06/08/2011 09:10:32 PM 712 Views
I think I know why you don't understand my question. Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:38:41 PM 743 Views
How many equation's has Moraine screwed up? *NM* Isaac - 06/08/2011 09:45:36 PM 306 Views
100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool *NM* Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 09:46:54 PM 329 Views
TalkOrigins addresses this at length. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2011 11:14:52 PM 793 Views
Not very much, but interesting none the less Bramhodoulos - 06/08/2011 11:38:36 PM 789 Views
Re: Natural selection Night Walker - 07/08/2011 03:00:30 AM 714 Views
Thanks a lot Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 01:38:39 PM 858 Views
2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 04:00:35 PM 632 Views
Re: 2 things Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 04:33:00 PM 843 Views
Re: 2 things Night Walker - 07/08/2011 05:48:26 PM 655 Views
My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:00:28 PM 691 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 06:37:58 PM 625 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 06:47:26 PM 778 Views
Re: My best guess Night Walker - 07/08/2011 07:02:27 PM 626 Views
Re: My best guess Bramhodoulos - 07/08/2011 09:09:57 PM 744 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes