Hey folks, I have a question about natural selection: what is it?
No, this is not another evolution vs. creation post (at least, that's not my intent), nor is it me proclaiming I don't believe in NS.
In fact the type of creationism I favor makes heavy use of natural selection to account for the variety within species or groups of species.
Recently however I've been reading another book and it discussed natural selection in a philosophical way, showing that there are multiple ways to define NS and all of them were unscientific.
I found that rather strange, since obviously we can see that some individuals or some species can live on while others go extinct. Since they are not actively selected by an outside intelligence (like man or God or aliens) it would be oke to say that "nature selects".
Now I will not repeat his arguments here, for that may put you in a frame of mind about how to define NS, rahter I'd like you guys to give me your best shot of defining NS and then I'll see if his arguments are still valid when applied to your definitions
One more thing about what I meant with "scientific", here I mean that it is (a theory or hypothesis that is) falsifiable (Popper).
No, this is not another evolution vs. creation post (at least, that's not my intent), nor is it me proclaiming I don't believe in NS.
In fact the type of creationism I favor makes heavy use of natural selection to account for the variety within species or groups of species.
Recently however I've been reading another book and it discussed natural selection in a philosophical way, showing that there are multiple ways to define NS and all of them were unscientific.
I found that rather strange, since obviously we can see that some individuals or some species can live on while others go extinct. Since they are not actively selected by an outside intelligence (like man or God or aliens) it would be oke to say that "nature selects".
Now I will not repeat his arguments here, for that may put you in a frame of mind about how to define NS, rahter I'd like you guys to give me your best shot of defining NS and then I'll see if his arguments are still valid when applied to your definitions
One more thing about what I meant with "scientific", here I mean that it is (a theory or hypothesis that is) falsifiable (Popper).
Natural selection
06/08/2011 03:51:26 PM
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selection for suitability
06/08/2011 04:18:51 PM
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Thanks for your responce
06/08/2011 04:41:20 PM
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I can't speak for LadyLorraine and won't try, but here's how I see it:
06/08/2011 06:49:49 PM
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Just a question
06/08/2011 07:18:09 PM
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Yes it can
06/08/2011 07:41:59 PM
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But how?
06/08/2011 07:52:10 PM
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Re: Just a question
06/08/2011 07:49:21 PM
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I'm not sure I understand you
06/08/2011 08:20:44 PM
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All tautologies are truisms, but not all truisms are tautologies.
06/08/2011 09:38:12 PM
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Then it is still a tautology
06/08/2011 09:45:33 PM
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You can know it's beneifical to a particular individual, but it's harder to say for populations.
06/08/2011 10:18:16 PM
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Maybe...
07/08/2011 01:55:54 PM
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I'm more inclined toward his logic, but possibly toward your conclusions.
09/08/2011 12:45:46 AM
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we can't really know ahead of time what makes a specific trait benefical in that environment
09/08/2011 06:16:02 PM
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As I understand it
06/08/2011 06:04:44 PM
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Better...
06/08/2011 06:36:38 PM
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Did you perhaps mean "beneficial in the environment" rather than "beneficial to the environment"?
06/08/2011 06:34:44 PM
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yes. I did not really phrase that very clearly. *NM*
09/08/2011 06:14:11 PM
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No biggy; from what Bram said, I underestimated how well you were understood anyway.
09/08/2011 06:45:16 PM
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Hmmm... there's some truth to that
06/08/2011 06:36:35 PM
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The complexity of the problem makes it all but impossible to falsify...
06/08/2011 08:26:06 PM
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The questions go deeper
06/08/2011 08:38:31 PM
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Re: The questions go deeper
06/08/2011 09:10:32 PM
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I think I know why you don't understand my question.
06/08/2011 09:38:41 PM
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How many equation's has Moraine screwed up? *NM*
06/08/2011 09:45:36 PM
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100% I think Moriaine is a very beneficial trait that contributes a lot to the RAFO pool *NM*
06/08/2011 09:46:54 PM
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Re: Natural selection
07/08/2011 03:00:30 AM
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Thanks a lot
07/08/2011 01:38:39 PM
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2 things
07/08/2011 04:00:35 PM
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Re: 2 things
07/08/2011 04:33:00 PM
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Re: 2 things
07/08/2011 05:48:26 PM
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My best guess
07/08/2011 06:00:28 PM
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Re: My best guess
07/08/2011 06:37:58 PM
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Re: My best guess
07/08/2011 06:47:26 PM
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