Lots of racist feel even more anger toward members of their own race who embrace other races than they do for the races they hate. Can't say why but since that level of racism usually stems from deep personal self worth issues my best guess is a combination of a feeling of betrayal and self hatred.
Second trying to rationalize the actions of the crazy is misguided virtually by definition. Sort of like weighing the weightless. You can study the disease but you can't use rational arguments to explain irrational actions.
Second trying to rationalize the actions of the crazy is misguided virtually by definition. Sort of like weighing the weightless. You can study the disease but you can't use rational arguments to explain irrational actions.
But by saying he's crazy doesn't that take away from the fact that people are saying he did this because he's some kind of nationalist?
I mean what happened at Jonestown was pretty crazy too and no one calls them Christians.
Large explosion in Oslo and nearby shootings
22/07/2011 03:52:56 PM
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A bit too convenient for an accident, I'd say.
22/07/2011 03:54:38 PM
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I agree
22/07/2011 03:59:16 PM
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Why do you care about making a claim? You're not a reporter.
22/07/2011 04:53:06 PM
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Not good - two reported dead so far
22/07/2011 04:23:03 PM
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I thought everyone loved Norway!
22/07/2011 04:26:25 PM
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'cept Whales
22/07/2011 04:31:01 PM
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Hey, I wouldn't put something like this past Green Peace.
22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM
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I would. *NM*
22/07/2011 06:52:38 PM
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Your faith is greater than mine then.
22/07/2011 10:26:54 PM
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Pics of the site look eerily similar to the Murrah building after the OKC bombing.
22/07/2011 04:27:03 PM
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NRK says a press conference is imminent; we'll hopefully know more soon.
22/07/2011 04:48:07 PM
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There are allegedly also people firing at the youth camp of the Labour party at an island
22/07/2011 05:26:29 PM
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7 confirmed dead, 2 severly injured, several with minor injuries.
22/07/2011 06:45:32 PM
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Despite all these jihadi groups claiming responsibility the police seem to think they are.
22/07/2011 09:37:08 PM
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It sounds a lot like that, yeah; the parallels with OKC are rather striking.
22/07/2011 10:25:42 PM
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I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim
22/07/2011 10:58:12 PM
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Re: I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim
22/07/2011 11:03:56 PM
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Norwegian papers article, in English:
22/07/2011 10:51:32 PM
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so "Youth camp" doesnt mean little kids right?
22/07/2011 11:05:42 PM
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“It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here.”
23/07/2011 10:23:48 AM
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Yeah, but it is quite shocking in such a normally placid country.
23/07/2011 04:04:04 PM
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Holy crap
23/07/2011 11:06:32 AM
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Sounds like an anarchist, i.e., left-wing nut..... *NM*
23/07/2011 03:10:55 PM
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Which explains why he was a member of the far RIGHT party until he became too extreme for even them.
23/07/2011 03:55:54 PM
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Eerm, yeah...What Joel said
23/07/2011 04:40:21 PM
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There's very few facts for anyone to be working with
23/07/2011 05:52:26 PM
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Just having switched off the latest news...
23/07/2011 06:21:09 PM
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The picture may change as more becomes known, but you only said what the police have publicly said.
23/07/2011 07:24:02 PM
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The official facts we have are clear enough to validate Jens' statement.
23/07/2011 07:21:46 PM
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Why can't we just call him a wing-nut and agree?
23/07/2011 07:27:33 PM
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why cant we call him a terrorist?
23/07/2011 08:01:33 PM
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I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist.
23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM
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i noticed the Norwegians are calling it a terror attack
24/07/2011 03:17:53 AM
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In the Netherlands they're calling him a Christian fundamentalist. *NM*
24/07/2011 07:13:48 AM
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By the way - too bad Norway doesn't have the death penalty.....very justified in this case. *NM*
23/07/2011 08:44:32 PM
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Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years".
23/07/2011 09:33:52 PM
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Re: Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years".
23/07/2011 09:43:12 PM
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Anything less than execution is wrong.....
23/07/2011 09:52:07 PM
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By the Grace of God, that's not your call to make.
23/07/2011 10:06:05 PM
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92 murders = execution
23/07/2011 10:09:33 PM
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I brought up God because you're not Him.
23/07/2011 10:12:43 PM
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God doesn't decide anything in society, people do.....
23/07/2011 10:15:43 PM
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Yes, a huge portion of the world is OK with summary execution, but nowhere you or I want to live.
23/07/2011 10:34:28 PM
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Nowhere? - the majority of US citizens support the death penalty *NM*
23/07/2011 10:57:25 PM
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Not in any form as cut and dried as you presented.
23/07/2011 11:27:52 PM
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Yeah, supporting the concept isn't the same as supporting the application.....
24/07/2011 02:25:33 AM
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Doubt can never be completely eliminated from any equation, hence the standard's "reasonable" doubt.
24/07/2011 03:35:02 AM
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Yes it can, the two cases I mentioned have no doubt regarding guilt..... *NM*
24/07/2011 04:42:13 AM
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Again, believe what you like, just don't impose it on anyone else.
24/07/2011 12:02:01 PM
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I don't think that the Norwegian criminal system is based on that ideal.
24/07/2011 03:03:42 PM
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If Norwegians are fine with their 21 year law why should it bother you?
24/07/2011 03:24:56 AM
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For some reason it's his business.
24/07/2011 03:51:36 AM
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Makes sense
25/07/2011 01:36:13 AM
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Sacrificing freedom to protect it has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" act
25/07/2011 03:53:22 AM
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Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" of acts
25/07/2011 05:36:21 AM
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Re: Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American"
25/07/2011 01:25:13 PM
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You need a reason for one, but if you nominally satisfy that minimal requirement they're available.
25/07/2011 05:28:23 PM
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they don't seem to have a problem voicing an opinion about our death penalty *NM*
26/07/2011 02:12:33 PM
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Right wing terrorism always confused me.
24/07/2011 04:44:34 AM
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I don't understand how anyone can be a fascist. *NM*
24/07/2011 07:15:16 AM
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I don't understand how any Italian can not be. *NM*
24/07/2011 01:51:34 PM
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Cause fascism didn't do much good for Italy? *NM*
24/07/2011 05:06:34 PM
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Bahaha yeah except 20 years of peace, prosperity and effective government.
25/07/2011 12:06:35 AM
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It's important to distinguish between Roman and modern fascism.
25/07/2011 03:48:24 AM
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The problem with that is simple.
25/07/2011 02:15:38 PM
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I can't speak to Italian civil liberties under Mussolini, but the little I've heard contradicts you.
25/07/2011 04:27:54 PM
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Wikipedia, really?
25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM
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Merely for convenience; the things I linked (e.g. blackshirt murder campaigns) are common knowledge.
25/07/2011 07:00:22 PM
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Actually, I know quite a bit about fascism in Italy
25/07/2011 08:29:04 AM
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If you did...
25/07/2011 02:05:31 PM
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You're full of it... and apparently you don't know it. *NM*
25/07/2011 06:40:14 PM
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Again, use facts...
26/07/2011 03:24:02 AM
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My guess is they're viewed as "collaborators".
24/07/2011 12:05:00 PM
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/ignoring the ridiculous fascism stuff... on the subject of killing your own
25/07/2011 04:36:01 PM
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Regardless.
25/07/2011 05:17:36 PM
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That's tempting, saying he isn't a "real" or "true" nationalist.
25/07/2011 09:20:38 PM
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Well I just don't comptrehend how he could be a "true" or "real" nationalist...
26/07/2011 03:25:35 AM
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That's clearly not true
26/07/2011 10:35:05 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's against nationalism as anyone defines it.
26/07/2011 01:43:56 PM
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See?
26/07/2011 02:05:09 PM
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Right, but...
26/07/2011 10:47:29 PM
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Yes he is on the far right
26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM
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I'm hardly a fanatic.
27/07/2011 12:23:09 AM
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You do come across that way here.
27/07/2011 11:05:26 AM
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Maybe to you, then again if you want to talk about how people come across on the internet...
27/07/2011 10:05:39 PM
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That makes sense
27/07/2011 11:27:29 PM
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How would a Nazi killing ONLY aryans be a Nazi?
28/07/2011 06:27:03 AM
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Remember how the Nazis killled socialists and other people who disagreed with them? That is how. *NM*
28/07/2011 07:40:24 AM
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and don't forget it was how the far left killed the people they did like as well
28/07/2011 11:47:26 AM
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Sorry but when was the USSR nationalistic?
28/07/2011 12:40:46 PM
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The rather famous Night of the Long Knives not ring a bell?
28/07/2011 10:34:47 AM
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Again, I said a Nazi who kills ONLY aryans.
28/07/2011 06:03:00 PM
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So you know for a fact that every Nazi who killed a fellow Aryan nazi that night also killed others?
28/07/2011 08:01:35 PM
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I have no idea why I want to jump into this but I would just point out two things
28/07/2011 12:46:56 AM
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Okay that's fair.
28/07/2011 06:28:57 AM
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Unfortunately Anders was a product of this delusional age
24/07/2011 07:15:28 PM
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I suppose that was intended to be as cryptic as it sounds? *NM*
24/07/2011 09:43:49 PM
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Cryptic's accurate enough but some other descriptions come to mind *NM*
25/07/2011 06:58:42 PM
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I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. In a dubious, halfhearted sort of way.
25/07/2011 09:21:55 PM
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Dear God, I hope they don't give him the platform to preach his crap
24/07/2011 10:07:37 PM
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it seems he has won, he has a fan on this website in fact, just look at the thread below yours
25/07/2011 05:33:39 AM
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Having read his manifesto and watched his youtube video...
25/07/2011 01:50:07 AM
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Oh, so killing people who are NOT HIS OWN would have been ok? *NM*
25/07/2011 10:38:50 AM
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Would have been understandable.
25/07/2011 02:03:31 PM
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Much as it pains me to say, most of his victims were almost certainly not Christian.
25/07/2011 07:04:21 PM
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I'm amazed that one person could cause this level of death.
25/07/2011 05:35:33 AM
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I too was surprised
25/07/2011 05:45:10 AM
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I'm told it takes most of an hour just to DRIVE from Oslo to Utøya.
25/07/2011 07:14:16 PM
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galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island.
25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM
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If there were reports that someone was slaughter children?
25/07/2011 10:18:45 PM
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A local with a deer rifle vs. a man in combat armor with an automatic rifle and military training?
25/07/2011 10:36:54 PM
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yes local, who would have military training as well, could have taken him with a deer rifle
25/07/2011 11:17:08 PM
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Theoretically; bear in mind that Charles Whitman spent two full hours killing people in the UT tower
26/07/2011 12:54:51 AM
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More on response time; it could have been better, but was more like an hour than hour and a half.
26/07/2011 01:59:30 AM
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they still are working under the assumption that they had to use heavily armed special forces
26/07/2011 03:09:05 PM
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The level of planning is what made it possible, and what makes it so chilling.
25/07/2011 07:25:23 PM
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I really wish they would stop mentioning he was a fan of True Blood *NM*
25/07/2011 05:47:16 AM
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are political party sponsored youth camps common in Europe?
25/07/2011 07:13:00 PM
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It is the labour youth organisation's summer camp
25/07/2011 09:11:57 PM
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sorry but that just seems very odd to me
25/07/2011 10:08:07 PM
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I think most such organizations have a somewhat older membership - 16-25 or so.
25/07/2011 10:30:04 PM
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having children who are passed their teens I still considered teenagers kids
25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM
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Re:I know that
27/07/2011 03:39:47 AM
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are we really so bored and entrenched that we are debating the motives of a mad man? *NM*
26/07/2011 02:13:38 PM
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