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I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM
And I was never disputing that the guy was right-wing. From what I know about him, he certainly seems to be. I didn't get involved in this discussion until Joel actually started blaming these attacks on right-wingers and their ideology as a whole and saying it will lead to more terrible attacks like this one.

He's doing EXACTLY what every person on the right fears people are going to do...blame this on the shooter's ideaology and claim that those who share it are equally dangerous. That's extremely offensive, and makes them fearful, because it gives some people on the left another excuse to try and silence them

If the shooter had turned out to be left wing, and people here were saying things like what Joel was saying above, I would expect you and the other liberals here to object, and rightly so. Therefore, I'm not sure why you guys can't understand our own objections, and refuse to see the points that people like Random Thoughts are trying to articulate. Instead, I keep seeing in response "Well, he WAS right wing, you know..." ;)
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1334 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 383 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 380 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 491 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 402 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 431 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 440 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 607 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 492 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 433 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 463 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 427 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 442 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 424 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 402 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 506 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 369 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 420 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 518 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 523 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 456 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 466 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 398 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 409 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 369 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 318 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 403 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 412 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 450 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 473 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 412 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 431 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 419 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 409 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 460 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 478 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 349 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 489 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 413 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 401 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 476 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 405 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 368 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 538 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 543 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 382 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 486 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 334 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 377 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 415 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 409 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 384 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 446 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 417 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 351 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 375 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 456 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 456 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 400 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 409 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 473 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 367 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 439 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 423 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 401 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 454 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 381 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 503 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 449 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 448 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 451 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 421 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 399 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 450 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 476 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 509 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 360 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 459 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 509 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 498 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 404 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 415 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 383 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 437 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 365 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 487 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 388 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 399 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 521 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 588 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 543 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 415 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 504 Views