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Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. Joel Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM
I would have more sympathy for Joel on this issue if he wasn't the one trying to get some political leverage on this issue and if he wasn't the same person who continued to argue that the shooter in Arizona was a right wing nutter despite the overwhelming facts pointing the other way. If looking for a way to spin the facts so that all the world ills were the personal fault of republicans was not Joel's normal mode of operation then I would say yes it simply the stress of the situation but this really is just typical Joel.

If he had posted about how shocked and horrified he was that a man could kill innocent children to promote his political goals I would have been agreeing with him 100%. Instead we get how shocked and horrified he is that some guest on the Fox News channel suggested that he really wasn't right wing and wouldn't roll over and taken the blame like good little boys and girls. Now is it silly that people are claiming he was a left wing? Of course it is but with the lefts tract record of trying to use any tragedy no matter how unrelated to attack the right and tar them dangerous radicals it is justified to try and make the distinction that this man has nothing to do with the American right.

A senior administration official who literally represented us to the world after successfully arguing in court that enemy combatants deserve no human rights, then leading the successful fight to keep us out of the International Criminal Court (that was our idea) so he and his fellow conservatives couldn't be prosecuted for war crimes. THAT'S one of the people disputing not that Breivik was even "extreme" right. For someone who talks about Kool-Aid drinkers so much, you sure chug a lot of it, and I'm officially sick of letting you and others try to turn America and the world into your own personal Jonestown.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1302 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 352 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 351 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 460 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 376 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 400 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 412 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 574 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 462 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 404 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 436 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 395 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 411 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 396 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 369 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 466 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 344 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 391 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 487 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 495 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 424 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 436 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 370 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 385 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 340 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 285 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 368 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 386 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 422 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 441 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 370 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 395 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 391 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 380 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 427 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 455 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 322 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 461 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 372 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 366 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 452 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 379 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 339 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 506 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 527 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 353 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 456 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 304 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 346 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 385 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 382 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 365 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 413 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 386 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 301 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 343 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 425 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 427 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 369 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 374 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 443 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 342 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 404 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 392 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 373 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 425 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 346 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 476 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 421 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 417 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 420 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 390 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 368 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 418 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 448 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 470 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 330 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 428 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 472 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 467 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 370 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 375 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 354 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 403 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 334 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 455 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 357 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 369 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 492 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 558 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 509 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 381 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 471 Views