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It's the liberals fault they were murdered; I get that that's the American far right argument. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2011 11:09:25 PM
Guess that's another example of how much farther right Americas far right is than Europes; the Norwegian far right party of which Breivik is a former member has condemned and repudiated him and, for probably the first time in their history, stands with the Labor Party that's kept them out of power since WWII.

"Is this guy a psychopath, or is he emblematic of a huge Christian movement we've been ignoring?" When Fox makes that loaded question the discussion topic for an entire segment of their morning show you can't claim it's just the individual opinion of one weird guest (and we'll just conveniently ignore what inviting far right whackjobs to speak on their morning show would say about Fox anyway). Networks script that crap; that's why the question invites the desired answer that Breivik's "just" a psychopath rather than a symptom of a larger and more dangerous problem. But while we're here, let's talk about sociopathy. According to the Amercian Pyschiatric Association diagnosis on the basis that (among other things):
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
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The second point covers the whole "Breivik is actually a liberal despite being a militaristic nationalist and former member of Norways most far right party" and "Norways Labor Party youthcamp is like the Hitler Youth" insanity. The third and sixth points are well reprented by policies like insisting on low taxes despite record debt, and expecting that debt to disappear through spending cuts alone despite the fact that's mathematically impossible. That those spending cuts which would greatly harm others are an ideal means of preserving ones own opulence is a great example of the final point. And, of course, the reason I brought this up is that repeatedly dismissing murders motivated by ones violent and extreme rhetoric is a great example of reckless disregard for others safety as well as as indifference and/or rationalizing the harm one does others for personal gain.

In short, I've begun to think that sociopathy can be INDUCED, en masse; that's essentially what terrorist training camps do, what the ACTUAL Hitler Youth did, and why their products slaughter innocent children or anyone else their ideology dictates without hesitation. That's not a phenomenon exclusive to the left or right; as I noted elsewhere, most terrorist groups have almost purely far left ideology, but pursuing it through murder is as appalling and unacceptable as it is counterproductive.
"Fox News says" and the lead off example is something someone says who is only being interviewed as a guest of the show. Wow does the left blame every news shows for what their guest say or is only that Fox News makes liberals to stupid to see the difference? The entire article amounts to nothing more than childish whining because people on right won't just gleeful accept having mass murder be labeled as one of them. These are the same left wing hate mongers who twisted themselves into knots trying to argue the nutcase who shot the congresswoman in Arizona was a rightwing extremist when the opposite was closer to the truth. I assume they got their panties in a knot over Fox claiming that isn't true ass well. I must be tough being a liberal and having to walk around with knotted up panties because their is a news organization reporting things you would rather not be heard. Maybe we should shut them down then gather all the books they wrote and burn them.

And since when did technology journals become the mout5h pieces for extremist left wing dribble?

It's REALLY tough being a liberal when you can be murdered by people who openly proclaim themselves "true conservatives" and have had party membership reflecting it, only to have their fellow conservatives insist the murderer was a liberal or his victims were Nazis, and how DARE I object to people being murdered down the street from me just because they share my politics? Yeah, my heart really bleeds for you, man; had I been sixty miles further west last week it might have LITERALLY bled FOR YOU. Guess poor misunderstood Anders Breivik was right about how persecuted conservatives are.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1335 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 384 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 381 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 491 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 403 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 432 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 441 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 608 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 493 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 433 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 464 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 428 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 443 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 424 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 403 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 507 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 370 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 421 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 519 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 524 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 457 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 467 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 398 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 410 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 370 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 319 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 404 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 413 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 450 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 473 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 413 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 432 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 420 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 410 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 461 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 479 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 350 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 490 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 414 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 402 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 477 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 406 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 369 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 539 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 544 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 383 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 487 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 335 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 378 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 416 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 410 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 384 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 447 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 418 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 351 Views
It's the liberals fault they were murdered; I get that that's the American far right argument. - 26/07/2011 11:09:25 PM 491 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 376 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 457 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 457 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 401 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 410 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 473 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 368 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 440 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 423 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 402 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 455 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 382 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 504 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 450 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 449 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 452 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 422 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 400 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 450 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 476 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 509 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 361 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 460 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 510 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 498 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 405 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 416 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 384 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 438 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 366 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 487 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 389 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 400 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 522 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 588 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 544 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 415 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 505 Views