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A right OR left wing extremist is just that; that's why your mouthpieces are so defensive. Joel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2011 10:40:46 PM
Now we see fained shock and horror when the American right doesn't want to claim an extremist European right winger. So explain in little words so a slow person like me can understand, how exactly did it come to be the American left doesn't = European left but American does = European right? Or is it just European racist, fascist mass murders o children that = American right? I can see why you would so upset that someone would not be willing to accept that.

The notion that Fox, Beck and the rest have nothing (rather than nearly everything) in common with Breivik is belied by their haste to paint him as a liberal, or the innocent children he killed as Hitler youth. They aren't distinguishing between "American" and "European" right/left either; they recognize all they have in common with Breivik but simply deny rather than mend it. Yeah, there's a big difference between the American and European left/right: Europe is generally far more liberal, so the left is more liberal and the right and less conservative here. Put in those terms, a moderate conservative in America is far right here, and a the American far right is... well, maybe there's a reason Fox and Beck are so defensive. No one accused them of ANYTHING until they decided to step up and deny the guilt they clearly feel; perhaps they should ask themselves why they need to displace it (preferably to their own opposition, the very kind of people one of their sympathizers just murdered).

The bottom line here remains that over 70 people, most of them children, were murdered by a far right terrorist simply because they were liberals and, inexplicably, the villain here is still those dead children, the real victims those who feel persecuted for their conservatism (e.g. Anders Breivik). 911 was the worst terrorist attack against America, perpetrated by terrorists whose ideology is almost purely far left. Utøya was the worst shooting massacre in world history perpetrated by a terrorist whose ideology is almost pure far right. Why is it so easy for you to accept the former, but not the latter? Norways far right party doesn't have a problem admitting Breivik was a member; they simply say it was almost a decade ago and that he left when he became too extreme, and disavow his acts. That's reasonable and responsible, it sends the message that whatever their political ideology they don't condone or encourage murdering the oppositions children. It's a pity and a true shame Americas far right refuses to be as rational, responsible or even decent. Ya'll keep demanding peaceful moderate Muslims speak out against radical Muslim terrorists, falsely implying that none do so and therefore none exist. Where's YOUR outrage when someone pursues your political goals through murder? Why is a conservative murdering liberals just one more reason to fight liberals at any cost, and how can you not see that only encourages other unbalanced conservatives to murder more liberals? It's not your fault they're violently insane, but suggesting victims for them is.

Enough. Your extreme radicalism is marginalizing you in America, and it can't happen soon enough, because you're doing a great job convincing the rest of the planet that America is nothing but rich, spoiled violent bigots. If that embarrasses you, it should; when you get tired of the shame the simple solution is to stop saying and doing shameful things rather than demanding the rest of the world accept your reprehensible behavior.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1302 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 351 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 351 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 460 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 375 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 400 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 412 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 574 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 462 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 404 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 436 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 395 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 411 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 395 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 369 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 466 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 344 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 391 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 487 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 494 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 424 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 436 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 370 Views
A right OR left wing extremist is just that; that's why your mouthpieces are so defensive. - 26/07/2011 10:40:46 PM 544 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 384 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 339 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 285 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 368 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 385 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 422 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 441 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 369 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 395 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 391 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 380 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 427 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 455 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 322 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 461 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 372 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 366 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 452 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 379 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 339 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 506 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 526 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 353 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 456 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 304 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 346 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 384 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 382 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 365 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 413 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 386 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 301 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 343 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 424 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 427 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 369 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 373 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 443 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 341 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 404 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 392 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 373 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 425 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 346 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 476 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 421 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 417 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 420 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 390 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 368 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 418 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 448 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 469 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 330 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 428 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 471 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 467 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 369 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 375 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 353 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 403 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 334 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 455 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 356 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 369 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 492 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 558 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 508 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 381 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 471 Views