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Now I see what you mean. Nate Send a noteboard - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM
The reason you can't think of any examples is because as I believe I have mentioned the press doesn't use the far left tag for far left wackos like they use it for far right wackos. When environmental terrorist or PETA terrorist attack they are not called far left extremist. When mobs of angry far left students attack summits or throw pies in the faces of conservative speakers they are not called far left extremist. Angry senior citizens yelling at congressman are either concerned citizens (if they are on the left) or tea party extremist if the they are on the right (even if they have nothing to do with the tea party) See the pattern?


The environmental and PETA examples are ones I can relate to. I've got no idea about typical media coverage for Kaczynski. The thing with those two examples, though, is that their identity appears to be tied up much more strongly with their specific grievances (the environment and animal cruelty) than with their political leanings. When such people commit illegal acts, they are doing so in the name of their specific issues, not in the name of their political leaning. This guy in Norway and his actions are very much tied to his political ideology, and to ignore that would be a disservice. You do however make a fair point that the US media tends to focus too much on sides.

I think it is fair for people on right to say this man doesn't in any way represent me or my beliefs. I really don't know enough about the European right to make the same argument but from a US point of view he doesn't represent a person who has taken the conservatives beliefs to far, I have not seen a single one of his beliefs that I agree with any more than your average democrat would agree with. So yes I object to him being used to represent my beliefs in way shape or form. Could his believes be labeled far right? possibly but to constantly use a term that links him to a political movement he had nothing to do with and who had nothing to do with him is no accident. Since the left right description is so misleading honest journalist would avoid it all together in order to not create a false impression. Dishonest journalist looking to create that false impression or simply to ignorant to understand the difference would do the opposite.


It's fair to take exception to people equating this guy and his actions to the US right. As I said before, people who do that are being thick-headed. However, do you not believe that there are people in the US (on the far right) who hate the immigration of Muslims and/or Marxist ideas? I'm not American, but it seems to me that such people do exist in the US too ...

What is fairer to say is that trying to equate this guy with the Republican party and its beliefs is what is truly thick-headed and disingenuous. But the Norway guy is most definitely a right-wing extremist. Right wing and left wing is a political designation that goes far beyond the divide in the US. It's dumb if either side is trying to use him to cast blame on the other side in the US.

But this is getting well away from why I actually responded in the first place. The thing I was responding to was trzaska saying that this guy is a left-wing anarchist. He's not. It's a ridiculous statement, and he's being rightfully called on it.

The far left in this country has been making a concentrated effort to paint anyone who opposes them as extremest. It is dishonest and despicable tactic that amounts to little more than censorship and they should be challenged every single time they attempt to use. It is the price we pay for letting a single political group take over our media and our universities.


I think you're being a little hyperbolic. Personally I think the whole political divide in the US is childish and unhelpful, but it's very real and it's not getting any better. I do have to wonder though ... given the media clout of Rupert Murdoch (and he's not the only right-leaning media power), can you really say that the left wing has "taken over" the US media? How do you define "taken over"? Obviously it's very far from 100% control.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). Joel - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1301 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 351 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 350 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. Joel - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 460 Views
Well said ironclad - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 375 Views
Thanks. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 400 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist Helene - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 412 Views
I'm not. Joel - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 573 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 462 Views
No one called him "American right" ironclad - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 403 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 435 Views
They don't have to claim him. ironclad - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 394 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man random thoughts - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 410 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media ironclad - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 395 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 369 Views
Yes but I didn't reply to the main article, but to Trzaska being ignorant ironclad - 26/07/2011 04:36:52 PM 464 Views
Just to be clear ironclad - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 466 Views
Re: Just to be clear nossy - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 343 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist random thoughts - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 390 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 487 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 494 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 424 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 436 Views
Precisely. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 369 Views
See, the thing with an extremist, is that he doesn't have all that much in common with jh - 26/07/2011 03:59:05 PM 421 Views
I am not defending the argument that he was a leftist in anyway random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:35:05 PM 427 Views
A right OR left wing extremist is just that; that's why your mouthpieces are so defensive. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:40:46 PM 543 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 384 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* Dannymac - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 339 Views
*NM* Aisha - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 284 Views
random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 368 Views
He murders kids because they're liberal, you spit on their graves: You both belong in an asylum. Joel - 26/07/2011 07:54:08 AM 430 Views
Ignorance is bliss? ironclad - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 385 Views
Sometimes Isaac - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 422 Views
Aaaaaaand you are back on my ignore list. Thanks for confirming my original instincts were right. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2011 11:18:25 AM 249 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... Nate - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 441 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 369 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. Nate - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 394 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 391 Views
Now I see what you mean. Nate - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 380 Views
I would argue that his actions were tied to his beliefs on the specific issue of immigration random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:11:23 PM 305 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste Camilla - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 427 Views
I listened to that clip last night snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 455 Views
I'm seriously wondering if attacking the victims here will be the tipping point for US fascists. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:30:33 AM 365 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* ironclad - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 322 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is snoopcester - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 460 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? nossy - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 372 Views
*NM* everynametaken - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 365 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 452 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 379 Views
Really? (+edit) nossy - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 338 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 506 Views
... Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 526 Views
if the term doesn't fit in the US then it makes no sense for US media to use the term here random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:14:40 PM 336 Views
This was my point. nossy - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 352 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 455 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 304 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 346 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. nossy - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 384 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you random thoughts - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 381 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 364 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it nossy - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 412 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 385 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* Wibble - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 301 Views
It's the liberals fault they were murdered; I get that that's the American far right argument. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:09:25 PM 462 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? Joel - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 343 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 424 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 427 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 368 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 373 Views
Pretty funny dart_board - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 443 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". Joel - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 341 Views
Wow. Let's just make this about us, why don't we? nossy - 26/07/2011 04:19:06 PM 509 Views
oh please the left is one trying to make about the right random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:36:39 PM 464 Views
I'm referring to all Americans (both sides) who are currently fighting this out. nossy - 26/07/2011 04:44:45 PM 350 Views
I agree 100% that this issue shouldn't be used in American politics random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:33:48 PM 427 Views
To Hell with them; even the normally indulgent American public will put them in a rubber room soon. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:36:13 PM 407 Views
You people all need to get a grip Wibble - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 403 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 392 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* Stephen - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 373 Views
No, you do not agree with what Wibble said. Your +1 makes zero sense. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:11:31 PM 302 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 425 Views
You are too close to this just now. Wibble - 26/07/2011 10:17:22 PM 345 Views
Probably,but that it happened in perhaps the safest most liberal place on Earth makes it inescapable Joel - 27/07/2011 12:26:45 AM 446 Views
Joel you are so full of shit random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 345 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 475 Views
Oh please, Legolas ßelals Girl - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 420 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 416 Views
Bullshit ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 420 Views
For the record, I've always supported guns for self defense (and hunting, and liberty from tyranny). Joel - 27/07/2011 10:52:02 AM 444 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 390 Views
*NM* ironclad - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 367 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 418 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? snoopcester - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 448 Views
so is the troll the person who makes the point or is the people who refuse to acknowledge it random thoughts - 27/07/2011 02:41:31 PM 330 Views
Do you think trz was right to call him an ultra left wing anarchist? nossy - 27/07/2011 04:15:50 PM 377 Views
I assumed he was referring to me when talked about picking fights with people random thoughts - 27/07/2011 05:53:43 PM 405 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 469 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 330 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled nossy - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 428 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 471 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them Joel - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 466 Views
Well nossy - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 369 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common random thoughts - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 375 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 353 Views
One of us is. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 403 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 332 Views
Wibble, but maybe. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 454 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 356 Views
Anyone saying Brevik has nothing in common with the American "Right" is lying to themselves Aisha - 26/07/2011 08:49:29 PM 403 Views
glad you could come along, someone has to represent the ignorant kool-aid drinkers random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:29:52 PM 341 Views
Not helping. Really not helping. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:22:53 PM 373 Views
I don't mind them lying to themselves,but promoting the lie incites violent persecution complexes Joel - 26/07/2011 11:40:48 PM 436 Views
A suggestion Larry - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 369 Views
Maybe. Joel - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 491 Views
But there's a problem in all that Larry - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 557 Views
In that response, "they" etc. specifically means the talking heads and their defenders. Joel - 27/07/2011 02:44:25 PM 360 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' Joel - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 508 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand Roland00 - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 381 Views
I blame nested threads. Joel - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 470 Views
Personally, I blame your need to have the final post in every conversation Postsecret - 27/07/2011 10:27:30 PM 409 Views
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