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A local with a deer rifle vs. a man in combat armor with an automatic rifle and military training? Joel Send a noteboard - 25/07/2011 10:36:54 PM
They would divert a helicopter and have it there in fifteen minutes. It would probably be over by the time the showed up though because someone with a concealed carry permit would have already taken him out. Norway has a lot of guns, I read that about 30% of the population owns guns and all the males receive military training, did they really need to wait for cops from Oslo to show up to do something? The local police may not carry guns but don't they have access to them? Didn't anyone know what was happening over there? If they have cell phone coverage and hundreds of kids must have been calling parents telling a mad man was systematically killing people. A local with a deer rifle and boat could have ended it in less than half an hour.

When this dies down the Norwegian police need to take a good hard look at their emergency response procedures and the people of Norway need to learn you can not always stand around waiting for the officials to save you. We had to learn similar lessons after 9-11.

Who'd still have to hop in a boat and cross over because no one actually LIVES on the island. Believe it or not, I'm not a blithering idiot incapable of logic, and automatically taking the converse of all my positions makes you sound like one. Note that I'm not saying you are, just suggesting you try evaluating logic based on its content rather than its author. By the way, if you'd bothered to read before responding I already said they did try to get a military chopper, but were able to get the cops already engaged in downtown Oslo up the road, on to a boat, over to the island and to the specific heavily wooded location where the shooter happened to be at the time first (actually, the wife says it got there about the same time, but had nowhere to land on a 26 acre island that looks like Davy Crockett National Forest). I believe Slovotsky said something to Piell that covers this situation.... ;)
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Large explosion in Oslo and nearby shootings - 22/07/2011 03:52:56 PM 1897 Views
A bit too convenient for an accident, I'd say. - 22/07/2011 03:54:38 PM 624 Views
I agree - 22/07/2011 03:59:16 PM 628 Views
Why do you care about making a claim? You're not a reporter. - 22/07/2011 04:53:06 PM 629 Views
Because I was making the post to tell people what was happening - 22/07/2011 05:26:11 PM 613 Views
He IS reporting - 22/07/2011 11:46:30 PM 535 Views
Let's not get ridiculous. - 23/07/2011 02:10:26 AM 559 Views
Police in Oslo have confirmed it was a bomb. *NM* - 22/07/2011 04:15:04 PM 525 Views
Not good - two reported dead so far - 22/07/2011 04:23:03 PM 628 Views
Re: Not good - two reported dead so far - 22/07/2011 04:26:15 PM 599 Views
I've long assumed this was the case. - 22/07/2011 04:28:40 PM 562 Views
Ah, I has suspected so - 22/07/2011 04:32:14 PM 517 Views
I thought everyone loved Norway! - 22/07/2011 04:26:25 PM 605 Views
'cept Whales - 22/07/2011 04:31:01 PM 629 Views
Hey, I wouldn't put something like this past Green Peace. - 22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM 565 Views
I would. *NM* - 22/07/2011 06:52:38 PM 543 Views
Your faith is greater than mine then. - 22/07/2011 10:26:54 PM 559 Views
Sounds like you're confusing Greenpeace with PETA. *NM* - 22/07/2011 10:53:18 PM 535 Views
Earth First is more likely. - 22/07/2011 11:14:33 PM 632 Views
And 8-11th century Irish and Brits - 22/07/2011 05:20:07 PM 590 Views
This ain't cool. *NM* - 22/07/2011 04:55:21 PM 576 Views
It is terrible. - 22/07/2011 05:13:24 PM 528 Views
There are allegedly also people firing at the youth camp of the Labour party at an island - 22/07/2011 05:26:29 PM 636 Views
Are Labour the ruling party? - 22/07/2011 05:28:51 PM 568 Views
Yes. One of three. - 22/07/2011 05:33:42 PM 652 Views
That's horrible. - 22/07/2011 05:42:07 PM 576 Views
I hope the perpetrators are made to suffer - 22/07/2011 05:53:38 PM 579 Views
7 confirmed dead, 2 severly injured, several with minor injuries. - 22/07/2011 06:45:32 PM 594 Views
and at least 9 additional dead on Utøya... *NM* - 22/07/2011 09:23:25 PM 544 Views
Utøya was just.... terrible. - 22/07/2011 09:58:18 PM 570 Views
Norwegian papers article, in English: - 22/07/2011 10:51:32 PM 742 Views
so "Youth camp" doesnt mean little kids right? - 22/07/2011 11:05:42 PM 576 Views
I gather 14-18 years old *NM* - 22/07/2011 11:07:37 PM 493 Views
wow.... *NM* - 22/07/2011 11:11:34 PM 514 Views
HS kids, from what I can gather. - 22/07/2011 11:45:30 PM 564 Views
The person arrested is Anders Behring Breivik - 23/07/2011 01:14:58 AM 561 Views
At least 80 dead so far. - 23/07/2011 03:09:38 AM 691 Views
Oh I feel sick - 23/07/2011 03:55:04 AM 606 Views
Yes. *NM* - 23/07/2011 07:25:46 AM 544 Views
Wow, that's horrible *NM* - 23/07/2011 05:55:11 AM 555 Views
“It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here.” - 23/07/2011 10:23:48 AM 575 Views
Yeah, but it is quite shocking in such a normally placid country. - 23/07/2011 04:04:04 PM 653 Views
Norwegians cops dont carry guns? - 23/07/2011 08:05:07 PM 576 Views
Re: Norwegians cops dont carry guns? - 23/07/2011 09:01:28 PM 599 Views
It's Europe; guns are a lot more heavily regulated. - 23/07/2011 09:32:15 PM 594 Views
Holy crap - 23/07/2011 11:06:32 AM 582 Views
Sounds like an anarchist, i.e., left-wing nut..... *NM* - 23/07/2011 03:10:55 PM 510 Views
Try Christian fundamentalist - 23/07/2011 04:12:55 PM 569 Views
Eerm, yeah...What Joel said - 23/07/2011 04:40:21 PM 623 Views
There's very few facts for anyone to be working with - 23/07/2011 05:52:26 PM 544 Views
Just having switched off the latest news... - 23/07/2011 06:21:09 PM 540 Views
Re: Just having switched off the latest news... - 23/07/2011 09:01:36 PM 498 Views
Why can't we just call him a wing-nut and agree? - 23/07/2011 07:27:33 PM 658 Views
why cant we call him a terrorist? - 23/07/2011 08:01:33 PM 552 Views
Because terrorist attacks only happens to the US. - 23/07/2011 08:21:05 PM 555 Views
Poes Law, man, Poes Law. - 23/07/2011 10:02:45 PM 525 Views
I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist. - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 517 Views
i noticed the Norwegians are calling it a terror attack - 24/07/2011 03:17:53 AM 547 Views
Christian media bias, eh? - 24/07/2011 03:48:22 AM 553 Views
Sorry, new laptop. - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 502 Views
oh, please. *NM* - 23/07/2011 09:09:40 PM 512 Views
My thoughts echo yours. - 23/07/2011 03:54:22 PM 545 Views
The people of Norway are in everyones thoughts and prayers. *NM* - 23/07/2011 12:51:38 PM 534 Views
This is awful, *NM* - 23/07/2011 03:43:37 PM 529 Views
Absolutely tragic. Sick sick person. *NM* - 23/07/2011 03:58:15 PM 473 Views
A victim's account - 23/07/2011 05:40:01 PM 650 Views
By the way - too bad Norway doesn't have the death penalty.....very justified in this case. *NM* - 23/07/2011 08:44:32 PM 489 Views
Very much true - 23/07/2011 09:31:14 PM 555 Views
Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". - 23/07/2011 09:33:52 PM 618 Views
21 years? Wow, what a stupid system..... *NM* - 23/07/2011 09:41:18 PM 513 Views
Re: Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". - 23/07/2011 09:43:12 PM 657 Views
Anything less than execution is wrong..... - 23/07/2011 09:52:07 PM 582 Views
By the Grace of God, that's not your call to make. - 23/07/2011 10:06:05 PM 556 Views
92 murders = execution - 23/07/2011 10:09:33 PM 572 Views
I don't think that the Norwegian criminal system is based on that ideal. - 24/07/2011 03:03:42 PM 497 Views
Which almost without exception makes a lot more sense. - 23/07/2011 10:04:48 PM 546 Views
I have a feeling - 24/07/2011 04:08:34 AM 559 Views
Not at all. Luckily, we don't have death penalty - 24/07/2011 09:16:28 AM 615 Views
Right wing terrorism always confused me. - 24/07/2011 04:44:34 AM 589 Views
I don't understand how anyone can be a fascist. *NM* - 24/07/2011 07:15:16 AM 505 Views
I don't understand how any Italian can not be. *NM* - 24/07/2011 01:51:34 PM 573 Views
Cause fascism didn't do much good for Italy? *NM* - 24/07/2011 05:06:34 PM 489 Views
Bahaha yeah except 20 years of peace, prosperity and effective government. - 25/07/2011 12:06:35 AM 532 Views
It's important to distinguish between Roman and modern fascism. - 25/07/2011 03:48:24 AM 573 Views
The problem with that is simple. - 25/07/2011 02:15:38 PM 506 Views
I can't speak to Italian civil liberties under Mussolini, but the little I've heard contradicts you. - 25/07/2011 04:27:54 PM 503 Views
Wikipedia, really? - 25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM 578 Views
Merely for convenience; the things I linked (e.g. blackshirt murder campaigns) are common knowledge. - 25/07/2011 07:00:22 PM 493 Views
Actually yes, he does. - 26/07/2011 03:23:20 AM 517 Views
Actually, I know quite a bit about fascism in Italy - 25/07/2011 08:29:04 AM 621 Views
If you did... - 25/07/2011 02:05:31 PM 416 Views
You're full of it... and apparently you don't know it. *NM* - 25/07/2011 06:40:14 PM 500 Views
Again, use facts... - 26/07/2011 03:24:02 AM 598 Views
I'm too amused by your unfounded accusations of ignorance - 26/07/2011 06:13:42 AM 477 Views
I don't debate with the ignorant. - 26/07/2011 01:43:07 PM 519 Views
My guess is they're viewed as "collaborators". - 24/07/2011 12:05:00 PM 557 Views
Even so. - 24/07/2011 01:55:08 PM 551 Views
Yeah, I can't really explain it; it's insane behavior. - 24/07/2011 04:57:27 PM 527 Views
/ignoring the ridiculous fascism stuff... on the subject of killing your own - 25/07/2011 04:36:01 PM 564 Views
Regardless. - 25/07/2011 05:17:36 PM 532 Views
That's tempting, saying he isn't a "real" or "true" nationalist. - 25/07/2011 09:20:38 PM 614 Views
Well I just don't comptrehend how he could be a "true" or "real" nationalist... - 26/07/2011 03:25:35 AM 557 Views
That's clearly not true - 26/07/2011 10:35:05 AM 514 Views
I'm pretty sure it's against nationalism as anyone defines it. - 26/07/2011 01:43:56 PM 563 Views
See? - 26/07/2011 02:05:09 PM 496 Views
Right, but... - 26/07/2011 10:47:29 PM 580 Views
Yes he is on the far right - 26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM 541 Views
I'm hardly a fanatic. - 27/07/2011 12:23:09 AM 420 Views
You do come across that way here. - 27/07/2011 11:05:26 AM 540 Views
Maybe to you, then again if you want to talk about how people come across on the internet... - 27/07/2011 10:05:39 PM 578 Views
That makes sense - 27/07/2011 11:27:29 PM 526 Views
How would a Nazi killing ONLY aryans be a Nazi? - 28/07/2011 06:27:03 AM 560 Views
Remember how the Nazis killled socialists and other people who disagreed with them? That is how. *NM* - 28/07/2011 07:40:24 AM 481 Views
and don't forget it was how the far left killed the people they did like as well - 28/07/2011 11:47:26 AM 503 Views
Sorry but when was the USSR nationalistic? - 28/07/2011 12:40:46 PM 492 Views
Great Patriotic War ring a bell? - 28/07/2011 06:04:02 PM 506 Views
And how was that nationalistic? - 28/07/2011 08:05:01 PM 500 Views
Can you read? - 28/07/2011 06:02:13 PM 517 Views
The rather famous Night of the Long Knives not ring a bell? - 28/07/2011 10:34:47 AM 493 Views
Again, I said a Nazi who kills ONLY aryans. - 28/07/2011 06:03:00 PM 553 Views
I have no idea why I want to jump into this but I would just point out two things - 28/07/2011 12:46:56 AM 560 Views
Okay that's fair. - 28/07/2011 06:28:57 AM 551 Views
So horrible. *NM* - 24/07/2011 06:24:28 AM 522 Views
Apparently, he plagiarised tehe UNA-bomber in his manifesto - 24/07/2011 02:52:36 PM 562 Views
Wow, that's impressive, in all the worst senses of the word. - 24/07/2011 05:05:24 PM 503 Views
Having read his manifesto and watched his youtube video... - 25/07/2011 01:50:07 AM 534 Views
Oh, so killing people who are NOT HIS OWN would have been ok? *NM* - 25/07/2011 10:38:50 AM 469 Views
Would have been understandable. - 25/07/2011 02:03:31 PM 542 Views
Much as it pains me to say, most of his victims were almost certainly not Christian. - 25/07/2011 07:04:21 PM 546 Views
Again. - 26/07/2011 03:26:51 AM 521 Views
I'm amazed that one person could cause this level of death. - 25/07/2011 05:35:33 AM 543 Views
I too was surprised - 25/07/2011 05:45:10 AM 512 Views
I'm told it takes most of an hour just to DRIVE from Oslo to Utøya. - 25/07/2011 07:14:16 PM 535 Views
galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island. - 25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM 532 Views
That's because Galveston is more than 26 acres. - 25/07/2011 09:39:06 PM 581 Views
See below: - 26/07/2011 02:03:27 AM 526 Views
If there were reports that someone was slaughter children? - 25/07/2011 10:18:45 PM 533 Views
A local with a deer rifle vs. a man in combat armor with an automatic rifle and military training? - 25/07/2011 10:36:54 PM 373 Views
I really wish they would stop mentioning he was a fan of True Blood *NM* - 25/07/2011 05:47:16 AM 460 Views
In the middle of all this, why is that important to you? *NM* - 25/07/2011 09:04:54 AM 536 Views
its important to me to know why its important enough to mention - 25/07/2011 09:15:11 PM 503 Views
And ego shooter games, as if they were the final trigger *NM* - 25/07/2011 10:40:33 AM 482 Views
And the fact that he was a Eurovision fan - 25/07/2011 11:23:48 AM 535 Views
are political party sponsored youth camps common in Europe? - 25/07/2011 07:13:00 PM 552 Views
It is the labour youth organisation's summer camp - 25/07/2011 09:11:57 PM 537 Views
sorry but that just seems very odd to me - 25/07/2011 10:08:07 PM 521 Views
Re: sorry but that just seems very odd to me - 25/07/2011 10:20:27 PM 530 Views
that would make a big difference - 25/07/2011 10:32:52 PM 530 Views
I think most such organizations have a somewhat older membership - 16-25 or so. - 25/07/2011 10:30:04 PM 515 Views
having children who are passed their teens I still considered teenagers kids - 25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM 523 Views
Yeah, I guess that'd depend on your perspective. - 25/07/2011 11:17:17 PM 516 Views
Re:I know that - 27/07/2011 03:39:47 AM 584 Views
Re: Re:I know that - 27/07/2011 09:04:24 AM 531 Views
Re: He took lives. - 28/07/2011 12:23:43 AM 398 Views
are we really so bored and entrenched that we are debating the motives of a mad man? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:13:38 PM 508 Views
Quite. *NM* - 26/07/2011 06:03:30 PM 486 Views