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galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island. Aisha Send a noteboard - 25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM
I guess I just dont get the Norwegian/European way of doing things like cops and guns and every little town and island having their own police force. Here in Ct where I live now, there are state troopers for the whole state and every town has its own police force. The better comparison would be a bombing in Rhode Island and a shooting on Block Island, but Block Island would take care of their own situation not wait for police from the main land to show up. But his isnt really worth discussing any further, whats done is done, nothing will bring back the victims that were killed. But maybe the protocol for future disasters (god forbid) will be different.


It's sick that one person could intentionally kill so many others. And why? Okay, so you don't like immigration into Norway - you have a voice, you can try to change laws or whatever. Okay, so you don't like the largely socialist system that Norway has (and I can personally appreciate that) - so work to change it. But any change must be done peacefully. Don't these people who kill others see that they are no better than the people they claim to be their "enemies"??? This is a universal truth, whether we're talking about this guy, Hamas, al Qaeda, Timothy McVey, or anyone else.

When has killing people ever helped one's argument or position??? The best you can hope for is to kill everyone and go down as a butcher.


I think its amazing that the bomb didnt even kill a dozen people, but he PERSONALLY went and shot 83 kids point blank on an island. I still think it is a damn shame that it took the cops forever and a day to get to the island. the bomb distraction isn't a good enough excuse in my opinion for why they didn't get there for over an hour. But I disagree about the violence thing, It does help peoples causes sometimes, it doesn't solve the situation but it does bring ti to light. 93 dead kids and no everyone is talking and thinking about the so called threat of Islam and immigration into Europe. he got what he wanted and he wants to go to court and speak more on the subject. He will get the platform he wanted to keep spewing his garbage, so in that respect his violent rampage was very successful.

Under NORMAL (i.e. not the aftermath of a bombing and during a shooting rampage) conditions. Googlemaps says it's 38km, but that only takes you to the mainland across from the island, so that doesn't count the boat ride there. How long do you think it would take HPD to get to a shooter on Galveston, particularly in the wake of a bombing at the Galleria, many other suspicious looking packages strewn from Herman Park to Reliant, and no bridge to the island? My wife tells me that ONCE INFORMED OF the shooting they were scrambling to call in military choppers to get out to the island, but barring a transporter room it still takes time. Your expectations here are not reasonable.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
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Large explosion in Oslo and nearby shootings - 22/07/2011 03:52:56 PM 1887 Views
A bit too convenient for an accident, I'd say. - 22/07/2011 03:54:38 PM 614 Views
I agree - 22/07/2011 03:59:16 PM 611 Views
Why do you care about making a claim? You're not a reporter. - 22/07/2011 04:53:06 PM 617 Views
Because I was making the post to tell people what was happening - 22/07/2011 05:26:11 PM 601 Views
He IS reporting - 22/07/2011 11:46:30 PM 525 Views
Let's not get ridiculous. - 23/07/2011 02:10:26 AM 549 Views
Police in Oslo have confirmed it was a bomb. *NM* - 22/07/2011 04:15:04 PM 513 Views
Not good - two reported dead so far - 22/07/2011 04:23:03 PM 618 Views
Re: Not good - two reported dead so far - 22/07/2011 04:26:15 PM 590 Views
I've long assumed this was the case. - 22/07/2011 04:28:40 PM 552 Views
Ah, I has suspected so - 22/07/2011 04:32:14 PM 508 Views
I thought everyone loved Norway! - 22/07/2011 04:26:25 PM 593 Views
'cept Whales - 22/07/2011 04:31:01 PM 623 Views
Hey, I wouldn't put something like this past Green Peace. - 22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM 556 Views
I would. *NM* - 22/07/2011 06:52:38 PM 528 Views
Your faith is greater than mine then. - 22/07/2011 10:26:54 PM 548 Views
Sounds like you're confusing Greenpeace with PETA. *NM* - 22/07/2011 10:53:18 PM 522 Views
Earth First is more likely. - 22/07/2011 11:14:33 PM 622 Views
And 8-11th century Irish and Brits - 22/07/2011 05:20:07 PM 579 Views
This ain't cool. *NM* - 22/07/2011 04:55:21 PM 567 Views
It is terrible. - 22/07/2011 05:13:24 PM 520 Views
There are allegedly also people firing at the youth camp of the Labour party at an island - 22/07/2011 05:26:29 PM 628 Views
Are Labour the ruling party? - 22/07/2011 05:28:51 PM 561 Views
Yes. One of three. - 22/07/2011 05:33:42 PM 640 Views
That's horrible. - 22/07/2011 05:42:07 PM 570 Views
I hope the perpetrators are made to suffer - 22/07/2011 05:53:38 PM 567 Views
7 confirmed dead, 2 severly injured, several with minor injuries. - 22/07/2011 06:45:32 PM 584 Views
and at least 9 additional dead on Utøya... *NM* - 22/07/2011 09:23:25 PM 531 Views
Utøya was just.... terrible. - 22/07/2011 09:58:18 PM 559 Views
Norwegian papers article, in English: - 22/07/2011 10:51:32 PM 730 Views
so "Youth camp" doesnt mean little kids right? - 22/07/2011 11:05:42 PM 567 Views
I gather 14-18 years old *NM* - 22/07/2011 11:07:37 PM 484 Views
wow.... *NM* - 22/07/2011 11:11:34 PM 501 Views
HS kids, from what I can gather. - 22/07/2011 11:45:30 PM 551 Views
The person arrested is Anders Behring Breivik - 23/07/2011 01:14:58 AM 551 Views
At least 80 dead so far. - 23/07/2011 03:09:38 AM 678 Views
Oh I feel sick - 23/07/2011 03:55:04 AM 597 Views
Yes. *NM* - 23/07/2011 07:25:46 AM 533 Views
Wow, that's horrible *NM* - 23/07/2011 05:55:11 AM 541 Views
“It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here.” - 23/07/2011 10:23:48 AM 565 Views
Yeah, but it is quite shocking in such a normally placid country. - 23/07/2011 04:04:04 PM 642 Views
Norwegians cops dont carry guns? - 23/07/2011 08:05:07 PM 566 Views
Re: Norwegians cops dont carry guns? - 23/07/2011 09:01:28 PM 592 Views
It's Europe; guns are a lot more heavily regulated. - 23/07/2011 09:32:15 PM 584 Views
Holy crap - 23/07/2011 11:06:32 AM 572 Views
Sounds like an anarchist, i.e., left-wing nut..... *NM* - 23/07/2011 03:10:55 PM 500 Views
Try Christian fundamentalist - 23/07/2011 04:12:55 PM 560 Views
Eerm, yeah...What Joel said - 23/07/2011 04:40:21 PM 616 Views
There's very few facts for anyone to be working with - 23/07/2011 05:52:26 PM 535 Views
Just having switched off the latest news... - 23/07/2011 06:21:09 PM 531 Views
Re: Just having switched off the latest news... - 23/07/2011 09:01:36 PM 485 Views
Why can't we just call him a wing-nut and agree? - 23/07/2011 07:27:33 PM 650 Views
why cant we call him a terrorist? - 23/07/2011 08:01:33 PM 544 Views
Because terrorist attacks only happens to the US. - 23/07/2011 08:21:05 PM 545 Views
Poes Law, man, Poes Law. - 23/07/2011 10:02:45 PM 508 Views
I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist. - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 504 Views
i noticed the Norwegians are calling it a terror attack - 24/07/2011 03:17:53 AM 538 Views
Christian media bias, eh? - 24/07/2011 03:48:22 AM 542 Views
Sorry, new laptop. - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 489 Views
oh, please. *NM* - 23/07/2011 09:09:40 PM 502 Views
My thoughts echo yours. - 23/07/2011 03:54:22 PM 531 Views
The people of Norway are in everyones thoughts and prayers. *NM* - 23/07/2011 12:51:38 PM 523 Views
This is awful, *NM* - 23/07/2011 03:43:37 PM 519 Views
Absolutely tragic. Sick sick person. *NM* - 23/07/2011 03:58:15 PM 463 Views
A victim's account - 23/07/2011 05:40:01 PM 640 Views
By the way - too bad Norway doesn't have the death penalty.....very justified in this case. *NM* - 23/07/2011 08:44:32 PM 482 Views
Very much true - 23/07/2011 09:31:14 PM 544 Views
Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". - 23/07/2011 09:33:52 PM 610 Views
21 years? Wow, what a stupid system..... *NM* - 23/07/2011 09:41:18 PM 500 Views
Re: Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". - 23/07/2011 09:43:12 PM 649 Views
Anything less than execution is wrong..... - 23/07/2011 09:52:07 PM 573 Views
By the Grace of God, that's not your call to make. - 23/07/2011 10:06:05 PM 546 Views
92 murders = execution - 23/07/2011 10:09:33 PM 560 Views
I don't think that the Norwegian criminal system is based on that ideal. - 24/07/2011 03:03:42 PM 487 Views
Which almost without exception makes a lot more sense. - 23/07/2011 10:04:48 PM 535 Views
I have a feeling - 24/07/2011 04:08:34 AM 547 Views
Not at all. Luckily, we don't have death penalty - 24/07/2011 09:16:28 AM 605 Views
Right wing terrorism always confused me. - 24/07/2011 04:44:34 AM 575 Views
I don't understand how anyone can be a fascist. *NM* - 24/07/2011 07:15:16 AM 493 Views
I don't understand how any Italian can not be. *NM* - 24/07/2011 01:51:34 PM 564 Views
Cause fascism didn't do much good for Italy? *NM* - 24/07/2011 05:06:34 PM 478 Views
Bahaha yeah except 20 years of peace, prosperity and effective government. - 25/07/2011 12:06:35 AM 525 Views
It's important to distinguish between Roman and modern fascism. - 25/07/2011 03:48:24 AM 562 Views
The problem with that is simple. - 25/07/2011 02:15:38 PM 494 Views
I can't speak to Italian civil liberties under Mussolini, but the little I've heard contradicts you. - 25/07/2011 04:27:54 PM 492 Views
Wikipedia, really? - 25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM 569 Views
Merely for convenience; the things I linked (e.g. blackshirt murder campaigns) are common knowledge. - 25/07/2011 07:00:22 PM 486 Views
Actually yes, he does. - 26/07/2011 03:23:20 AM 508 Views
Actually, I know quite a bit about fascism in Italy - 25/07/2011 08:29:04 AM 615 Views
If you did... - 25/07/2011 02:05:31 PM 408 Views
You're full of it... and apparently you don't know it. *NM* - 25/07/2011 06:40:14 PM 489 Views
Again, use facts... - 26/07/2011 03:24:02 AM 588 Views
I'm too amused by your unfounded accusations of ignorance - 26/07/2011 06:13:42 AM 465 Views
I don't debate with the ignorant. - 26/07/2011 01:43:07 PM 510 Views
My guess is they're viewed as "collaborators". - 24/07/2011 12:05:00 PM 543 Views
Even so. - 24/07/2011 01:55:08 PM 540 Views
Yeah, I can't really explain it; it's insane behavior. - 24/07/2011 04:57:27 PM 517 Views
/ignoring the ridiculous fascism stuff... on the subject of killing your own - 25/07/2011 04:36:01 PM 554 Views
Regardless. - 25/07/2011 05:17:36 PM 520 Views
That's tempting, saying he isn't a "real" or "true" nationalist. - 25/07/2011 09:20:38 PM 606 Views
Well I just don't comptrehend how he could be a "true" or "real" nationalist... - 26/07/2011 03:25:35 AM 544 Views
That's clearly not true - 26/07/2011 10:35:05 AM 503 Views
I'm pretty sure it's against nationalism as anyone defines it. - 26/07/2011 01:43:56 PM 552 Views
See? - 26/07/2011 02:05:09 PM 489 Views
Right, but... - 26/07/2011 10:47:29 PM 569 Views
Yes he is on the far right - 26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM 530 Views
I'm hardly a fanatic. - 27/07/2011 12:23:09 AM 407 Views
You do come across that way here. - 27/07/2011 11:05:26 AM 530 Views
Maybe to you, then again if you want to talk about how people come across on the internet... - 27/07/2011 10:05:39 PM 568 Views
That makes sense - 27/07/2011 11:27:29 PM 515 Views
How would a Nazi killing ONLY aryans be a Nazi? - 28/07/2011 06:27:03 AM 547 Views
Remember how the Nazis killled socialists and other people who disagreed with them? That is how. *NM* - 28/07/2011 07:40:24 AM 473 Views
and don't forget it was how the far left killed the people they did like as well - 28/07/2011 11:47:26 AM 486 Views
Sorry but when was the USSR nationalistic? - 28/07/2011 12:40:46 PM 481 Views
Great Patriotic War ring a bell? - 28/07/2011 06:04:02 PM 492 Views
And how was that nationalistic? - 28/07/2011 08:05:01 PM 490 Views
Can you read? - 28/07/2011 06:02:13 PM 509 Views
The rather famous Night of the Long Knives not ring a bell? - 28/07/2011 10:34:47 AM 483 Views
Again, I said a Nazi who kills ONLY aryans. - 28/07/2011 06:03:00 PM 543 Views
I have no idea why I want to jump into this but I would just point out two things - 28/07/2011 12:46:56 AM 547 Views
Okay that's fair. - 28/07/2011 06:28:57 AM 537 Views
So horrible. *NM* - 24/07/2011 06:24:28 AM 509 Views
Apparently, he plagiarised tehe UNA-bomber in his manifesto - 24/07/2011 02:52:36 PM 551 Views
Wow, that's impressive, in all the worst senses of the word. - 24/07/2011 05:05:24 PM 494 Views
Having read his manifesto and watched his youtube video... - 25/07/2011 01:50:07 AM 524 Views
Oh, so killing people who are NOT HIS OWN would have been ok? *NM* - 25/07/2011 10:38:50 AM 458 Views
Would have been understandable. - 25/07/2011 02:03:31 PM 530 Views
Much as it pains me to say, most of his victims were almost certainly not Christian. - 25/07/2011 07:04:21 PM 534 Views
Again. - 26/07/2011 03:26:51 AM 509 Views
I'm amazed that one person could cause this level of death. - 25/07/2011 05:35:33 AM 534 Views
I too was surprised - 25/07/2011 05:45:10 AM 503 Views
I'm told it takes most of an hour just to DRIVE from Oslo to Utøya. - 25/07/2011 07:14:16 PM 524 Views
galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island. - 25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM 519 Views
That's because Galveston is more than 26 acres. - 25/07/2011 09:39:06 PM 569 Views
See below: - 26/07/2011 02:03:27 AM 516 Views
I really wish they would stop mentioning he was a fan of True Blood *NM* - 25/07/2011 05:47:16 AM 449 Views
In the middle of all this, why is that important to you? *NM* - 25/07/2011 09:04:54 AM 526 Views
its important to me to know why its important enough to mention - 25/07/2011 09:15:11 PM 495 Views
And ego shooter games, as if they were the final trigger *NM* - 25/07/2011 10:40:33 AM 475 Views
And the fact that he was a Eurovision fan - 25/07/2011 11:23:48 AM 524 Views
are political party sponsored youth camps common in Europe? - 25/07/2011 07:13:00 PM 538 Views
It is the labour youth organisation's summer camp - 25/07/2011 09:11:57 PM 526 Views
sorry but that just seems very odd to me - 25/07/2011 10:08:07 PM 514 Views
Re: sorry but that just seems very odd to me - 25/07/2011 10:20:27 PM 521 Views
that would make a big difference - 25/07/2011 10:32:52 PM 520 Views
I think most such organizations have a somewhat older membership - 16-25 or so. - 25/07/2011 10:30:04 PM 509 Views
having children who are passed their teens I still considered teenagers kids - 25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM 514 Views
Yeah, I guess that'd depend on your perspective. - 25/07/2011 11:17:17 PM 504 Views
Re:I know that - 27/07/2011 03:39:47 AM 571 Views
Re: Re:I know that - 27/07/2011 09:04:24 AM 522 Views
Re: He took lives. - 28/07/2011 12:23:43 AM 386 Views
are we really so bored and entrenched that we are debating the motives of a mad man? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:13:38 PM 498 Views
Quite. *NM* - 26/07/2011 06:03:30 PM 479 Views