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I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM
His political affiliations hardly matters now.

or why cant we call him a Christian wingnut. When a Muslim does something like this their religion is mentioned every single time they are. I love the double standard.

Considering it sounds like this guy would normally be the first to accuse Islam as a religion following a terrorist attack it's a valid point. Of course, as Helene noted, this guy is no more representative of Christianity than bin Laden was of Islam, and if we're going to focus on the religious angle that's probably the way to do it. Maybe with a healthy dose of "another reason to sequester religion and politics".
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Large explosion in Oslo and nearby shootings Mark - 22/07/2011 03:52:56 PM 1922 Views
A bit too convenient for an accident, I'd say. Tom - 22/07/2011 03:54:38 PM 654 Views
I agree Mark - 22/07/2011 03:59:16 PM 656 Views
Why do you care about making a claim? You're not a reporter. Tom - 22/07/2011 04:53:06 PM 659 Views
Because I was making the post to tell people what was happening Mark - 22/07/2011 05:26:11 PM 642 Views
He IS reporting LadyLorraine - 22/07/2011 11:46:30 PM 570 Views
Let's not get ridiculous. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:10:26 AM 585 Views
Police in Oslo have confirmed it was a bomb. *NM* Wibble - 22/07/2011 04:15:04 PM 556 Views
Not good - two reported dead so far snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:23:03 PM 651 Views
Re: Not good - two reported dead so far Camilla - 22/07/2011 04:26:15 PM 627 Views
I've long assumed this was the case. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:28:40 PM 587 Views
Ah, I has suspected so snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:32:14 PM 544 Views
I thought everyone loved Norway! Camilla - 22/07/2011 04:26:25 PM 630 Views
'cept Whales snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:31:01 PM 650 Views
Hey, I wouldn't put something like this past Green Peace. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM 590 Views
I would. *NM* Camilla - 22/07/2011 06:52:38 PM 567 Views
Your faith is greater than mine then. Joel - 22/07/2011 10:26:54 PM 583 Views
Sounds like you're confusing Greenpeace with PETA. *NM* Legolas - 22/07/2011 10:53:18 PM 569 Views
Earth First is more likely. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:14:33 PM 659 Views
And 8-11th century Irish and Brits Stephen - 22/07/2011 05:20:07 PM 616 Views
Pics of the site look eerily similar to the Murrah building after the OKC bombing. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:27:03 PM 577 Views
NRK says a press conference is imminent; we'll hopefully know more soon. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:48:07 PM 628 Views
This ain't cool. *NM* LordPerrin - 22/07/2011 04:55:21 PM 606 Views
It is terrible. Spriteling - 22/07/2011 05:13:24 PM 560 Views
There are allegedly also people firing at the youth camp of the Labour party at an island Camilla - 22/07/2011 05:26:29 PM 655 Views
Are Labour the ruling party? Mark - 22/07/2011 05:28:51 PM 596 Views
Yes. One of three. Camilla - 22/07/2011 05:33:42 PM 682 Views
That's horrible. Stephen - 22/07/2011 05:42:07 PM 593 Views
I hope the perpetrators are made to suffer kHz1000 - 22/07/2011 05:53:38 PM 606 Views
7 confirmed dead, 2 severly injured, several with minor injuries. Maria - 22/07/2011 06:45:32 PM 623 Views
and at least 9 additional dead on Utøya... *NM* jh - 22/07/2011 09:23:25 PM 570 Views
Utøya was just.... terrible. Maria - 22/07/2011 09:58:18 PM 591 Views
Despite all these jihadi groups claiming responsibility the police seem to think they are. Camilla - 22/07/2011 09:37:08 PM 666 Views
It sounds a lot like that, yeah; the parallels with OKC are rather striking. Joel - 22/07/2011 10:25:42 PM 721 Views
I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim Aisha - 22/07/2011 10:58:12 PM 639 Views
Re: I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim Camilla - 22/07/2011 11:03:56 PM 686 Views
Not at all. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:35:12 PM 656 Views
Norwegian papers article, in English: Joel - 22/07/2011 10:51:32 PM 770 Views
so "Youth camp" doesnt mean little kids right? Aisha - 22/07/2011 11:05:42 PM 593 Views
I gather 14-18 years old *NM* Isaac - 22/07/2011 11:07:37 PM 520 Views
wow.... *NM* Aisha - 22/07/2011 11:11:34 PM 540 Views
HS kids, from what I can gather. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:45:30 PM 591 Views
The person arrested is Anders Behring Breivik Lews_TherinThelamon - 23/07/2011 01:14:58 AM 582 Views
At least 80 dead so far. Great Lord of Chaos - 23/07/2011 03:09:38 AM 720 Views
Oh I feel sick Aisha - 23/07/2011 03:55:04 AM 632 Views
Yes. *NM* Camilla - 23/07/2011 07:25:46 AM 569 Views
Wow, that's horrible *NM* ßelals Girl - 23/07/2011 05:55:11 AM 584 Views
“It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here.” Ghavrel - 23/07/2011 10:23:48 AM 602 Views
Yeah, but it is quite shocking in such a normally placid country. Joel - 23/07/2011 04:04:04 PM 675 Views
Norwegians cops dont carry guns? Aisha - 23/07/2011 08:05:07 PM 599 Views
Re: Norwegians cops dont carry guns? Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:01:28 PM 627 Views
It's Europe; guns are a lot more heavily regulated. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:32:15 PM 621 Views
Holy crap ironclad - 23/07/2011 11:06:32 AM 608 Views
Sounds like an anarchist, i.e., left-wing nut..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 03:10:55 PM 541 Views
Which explains why he was a member of the far RIGHT party until he became too extreme for even them. Joel - 23/07/2011 03:55:54 PM 593 Views
Try Christian fundamentalist Helene - 23/07/2011 04:12:55 PM 595 Views
Eerm, yeah...What Joel said ironclad - 23/07/2011 04:40:21 PM 653 Views
There's very few facts for anyone to be working with Isaac - 23/07/2011 05:52:26 PM 570 Views
Just having switched off the latest news... ironclad - 23/07/2011 06:21:09 PM 566 Views
The picture may change as more becomes known, but you only said what the police have publicly said. Joel - 23/07/2011 07:24:02 PM 529 Views
Re: Just having switched off the latest news... Isaac - 23/07/2011 09:01:36 PM 516 Views
The official facts we have are clear enough to validate Jens' statement. Joel - 23/07/2011 07:21:46 PM 441 Views
Why can't we just call him a wing-nut and agree? jh - 23/07/2011 07:27:33 PM 687 Views
why cant we call him a terrorist? Aisha - 23/07/2011 08:01:33 PM 577 Views
Because terrorist attacks only happens to the US. jh - 23/07/2011 08:21:05 PM 574 Views
Poes Law, man, Poes Law. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:02:45 PM 554 Views
I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 547 Views
i noticed the Norwegians are calling it a terror attack Aisha - 24/07/2011 03:17:53 AM 571 Views
Christian media bias, eh? Joel - 24/07/2011 03:48:22 AM 577 Views
In the Netherlands they're calling him a Christian fundamentalist. *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 07:13:48 AM 569 Views
Sorry, new laptop. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 524 Views
oh, please. *NM* Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:09:40 PM 537 Views
My thoughts echo yours. Joel - 23/07/2011 03:54:22 PM 574 Views
The people of Norway are in everyones thoughts and prayers. *NM* dart_board - 23/07/2011 12:51:38 PM 560 Views
This is awful, *NM* Nolan - 23/07/2011 03:43:37 PM 563 Views
Absolutely tragic. Sick sick person. *NM* Avendesora - 23/07/2011 03:58:15 PM 503 Views
A victim's account Great Lord of Chaos - 23/07/2011 05:40:01 PM 675 Views
By the way - too bad Norway doesn't have the death penalty.....very justified in this case. *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 08:44:32 PM 509 Views
Very much true kHz1000 - 23/07/2011 09:31:14 PM 580 Views
Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". Joel - 23/07/2011 09:33:52 PM 644 Views
21 years? Wow, what a stupid system..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 09:41:18 PM 545 Views
Re: Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:43:12 PM 684 Views
Anything less than execution is wrong..... trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 09:52:07 PM 614 Views
By the Grace of God, that's not your call to make. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:06:05 PM 584 Views
92 murders = execution trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:09:33 PM 607 Views
I brought up God because you're not Him. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:12:43 PM 582 Views
God doesn't decide anything in society, people do..... trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:15:43 PM 559 Views
Yes, a huge portion of the world is OK with summary execution, but nowhere you or I want to live. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:34:28 PM 597 Views
Nowhere? - the majority of US citizens support the death penalty *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:57:25 PM 531 Views
Not in any form as cut and dried as you presented. Joel - 23/07/2011 11:27:52 PM 604 Views
Yeah, supporting the concept isn't the same as supporting the application..... trzaska2000 - 24/07/2011 02:25:33 AM 558 Views
Doubt can never be completely eliminated from any equation, hence the standard's "reasonable" doubt. Joel - 24/07/2011 03:35:02 AM 591 Views
Yes it can, the two cases I mentioned have no doubt regarding guilt..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 24/07/2011 04:42:13 AM 511 Views
Again, believe what you like, just don't impose it on anyone else. Joel - 24/07/2011 12:02:01 PM 564 Views
I don't think that the Norwegian criminal system is based on that ideal. Great Lord of Chaos - 24/07/2011 03:03:42 PM 521 Views
Which almost without exception makes a lot more sense. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:04:48 PM 582 Views
If Norwegians are fine with their 21 year law why should it bother you? Aisha - 24/07/2011 03:24:56 AM 663 Views
For some reason it's his business. Joel - 24/07/2011 03:51:36 AM 658 Views
Makes sense Aisha - 25/07/2011 01:36:13 AM 642 Views
Sacrificing freedom to protect it has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" act Joel - 25/07/2011 03:53:22 AM 510 Views
Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" of acts Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:36:21 AM 521 Views
... Camilla - 25/07/2011 12:46:40 PM 553 Views
Re: Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" snoopcester - 25/07/2011 01:25:13 PM 571 Views
You need a reason for one, but if you nominally satisfy that minimal requirement they're available. Joel - 25/07/2011 05:28:23 PM 588 Views
they don't seem to have a problem voicing an opinion about our death penalty *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:12:33 PM 647 Views
Yes, if they dish it out, they should be prepared to take it. jh - 26/07/2011 04:05:23 PM 594 Views
I have a feeling Praziquantel - 24/07/2011 04:08:34 AM 579 Views
Not at all. Luckily, we don't have death penalty Maria - 24/07/2011 09:16:28 AM 642 Views
Right wing terrorism always confused me. Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 04:44:34 AM 618 Views
I don't understand how anyone can be a fascist. *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 07:15:16 AM 533 Views
I don't understand how any Italian can not be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 01:51:34 PM 602 Views
Cause fascism didn't do much good for Italy? *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 05:06:34 PM 520 Views
Bahaha yeah except 20 years of peace, prosperity and effective government. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 12:06:35 AM 564 Views
It's important to distinguish between Roman and modern fascism. Joel - 25/07/2011 03:48:24 AM 600 Views
The problem with that is simple. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:15:38 PM 532 Views
I can't speak to Italian civil liberties under Mussolini, but the little I've heard contradicts you. Joel - 25/07/2011 04:27:54 PM 526 Views
Wikipedia, really? Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM 604 Views
Merely for convenience; the things I linked (e.g. blackshirt murder campaigns) are common knowledge. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:00:22 PM 513 Views
Actually yes, he does. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:23:20 AM 545 Views
Actually, I know quite a bit about fascism in Italy Helene - 25/07/2011 08:29:04 AM 648 Views
If you did... Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:05:31 PM 447 Views
You're full of it... and apparently you don't know it. *NM* Helene - 25/07/2011 06:40:14 PM 532 Views
Again, use facts... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:24:02 AM 626 Views
I'm too amused by your unfounded accusations of ignorance Helene - 26/07/2011 06:13:42 AM 504 Views
I don't debate with the ignorant. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 01:43:07 PM 544 Views
My guess is they're viewed as "collaborators". Joel - 24/07/2011 12:05:00 PM 592 Views
Even so. Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 01:55:08 PM 574 Views
Yeah, I can't really explain it; it's insane behavior. Joel - 24/07/2011 04:57:27 PM 551 Views
/ignoring the ridiculous fascism stuff... on the subject of killing your own Camilla - 25/07/2011 04:36:01 PM 596 Views
Regardless. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 05:17:36 PM 560 Views
That's tempting, saying he isn't a "real" or "true" nationalist. Legolas - 25/07/2011 09:20:38 PM 641 Views
Well I just don't comptrehend how he could be a "true" or "real" nationalist... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:25:35 AM 580 Views
That's clearly not true snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:35:05 AM 536 Views
I'm pretty sure it's against nationalism as anyone defines it. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 01:43:56 PM 596 Views
See? snoopcester - 26/07/2011 02:05:09 PM 517 Views
Right, but... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 10:47:29 PM 606 Views
Yes he is on the far right snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM 567 Views
I'm hardly a fanatic. Dragonsoul - 27/07/2011 12:23:09 AM 442 Views
You do come across that way here. snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:05:26 AM 565 Views
Maybe to you, then again if you want to talk about how people come across on the internet... Dragonsoul - 27/07/2011 10:05:39 PM 601 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:27:29 PM 551 Views
How would a Nazi killing ONLY aryans be a Nazi? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:27:03 AM 589 Views
Remember how the Nazis killled socialists and other people who disagreed with them? That is how. *NM* Camilla - 28/07/2011 07:40:24 AM 511 Views
and don't forget it was how the far left killed the people they did like as well random thoughts - 28/07/2011 11:47:26 AM 531 Views
Sorry but when was the USSR nationalistic? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 12:40:46 PM 519 Views
Great Patriotic War ring a bell? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:04:02 PM 528 Views
And how was that nationalistic? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 08:05:01 PM 525 Views
Can you read? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:02:13 PM 546 Views
The rather famous Night of the Long Knives not ring a bell? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 10:34:47 AM 522 Views
Again, I said a Nazi who kills ONLY aryans. Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:03:00 PM 577 Views
So you know for a fact that every Nazi who killed a fellow Aryan nazi that night also killed others? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 08:01:35 PM 521 Views
I have no idea why I want to jump into this but I would just point out two things random thoughts - 28/07/2011 12:46:56 AM 582 Views
Okay that's fair. Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:28:57 AM 581 Views
So horrible. *NM* everynametaken - 24/07/2011 06:24:28 AM 553 Views
Apparently, he plagiarised tehe UNA-bomber in his manifesto Camilla - 24/07/2011 02:52:36 PM 589 Views
Wow, that's impressive, in all the worst senses of the word. Joel - 24/07/2011 05:05:24 PM 530 Views
Unfortunately Anders was a product of this delusional age cmdjing - 24/07/2011 07:15:28 PM 740 Views
I suppose that was intended to be as cryptic as it sounds? *NM* Legolas - 24/07/2011 09:43:49 PM 490 Views
Cryptic's accurate enough but some other descriptions come to mind *NM* Isaac - 25/07/2011 06:58:42 PM 497 Views
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. In a dubious, halfhearted sort of way. Legolas - 25/07/2011 09:21:55 PM 600 Views
Dear God, I hope they don't give him the platform to preach his crap ironclad - 24/07/2011 10:07:37 PM 611 Views
it seems he has won, he has a fan on this website in fact, just look at the thread below yours Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:33:39 AM 561 Views
Having read his manifesto and watched his youtube video... Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 01:50:07 AM 555 Views
Oh, so killing people who are NOT HIS OWN would have been ok? *NM* ironclad - 25/07/2011 10:38:50 AM 494 Views
Would have been understandable. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:03:31 PM 566 Views
Much as it pains me to say, most of his victims were almost certainly not Christian. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:04:21 PM 571 Views
Again. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:26:51 AM 546 Views
I'm amazed that one person could cause this level of death. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:35:33 AM 568 Views
I too was surprised Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:45:10 AM 540 Views
I'm told it takes most of an hour just to DRIVE from Oslo to Utøya. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:14:16 PM 559 Views
galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island. Aisha - 25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM 562 Views
That's because Galveston is more than 26 acres. Joel - 25/07/2011 09:39:06 PM 607 Views
See below: Joel - 26/07/2011 02:03:27 AM 552 Views
If there were reports that someone was slaughter children? random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:18:45 PM 558 Views
A local with a deer rifle vs. a man in combat armor with an automatic rifle and military training? Joel - 25/07/2011 10:36:54 PM 402 Views
yes local, who would have military training as well, could have taken him with a deer rifle random thoughts - 25/07/2011 11:17:08 PM 603 Views
Theoretically; bear in mind that Charles Whitman spent two full hours killing people in the UT tower Joel - 26/07/2011 12:54:51 AM 625 Views
More on response time; it could have been better, but was more like an hour than hour and a half. Joel - 26/07/2011 01:59:30 AM 603 Views
they still are working under the assumption that they had to use heavily armed special forces random thoughts - 26/07/2011 03:09:05 PM 529 Views
The level of planning is what made it possible, and what makes it so chilling. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:25:23 PM 521 Views
I really wish they would stop mentioning he was a fan of True Blood *NM* Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:47:16 AM 488 Views
In the middle of all this, why is that important to you? *NM* Milla - 25/07/2011 09:04:54 AM 561 Views
its important to me to know why its important enough to mention Aisha - 25/07/2011 09:15:11 PM 530 Views
And ego shooter games, as if they were the final trigger *NM* ironclad - 25/07/2011 10:40:33 AM 511 Views
And the fact that he was a Eurovision fan kHz1000 - 25/07/2011 11:23:48 AM 561 Views
are political party sponsored youth camps common in Europe? random thoughts - 25/07/2011 07:13:00 PM 574 Views
It is the labour youth organisation's summer camp Camilla - 25/07/2011 09:11:57 PM 568 Views
sorry but that just seems very odd to me random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:08:07 PM 545 Views
Re: sorry but that just seems very odd to me Camilla - 25/07/2011 10:20:27 PM 555 Views
that would make a big difference random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:32:52 PM 552 Views
I think most such organizations have a somewhat older membership - 16-25 or so. Legolas - 25/07/2011 10:30:04 PM 541 Views
having children who are passed their teens I still considered teenagers kids random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM 551 Views
Yeah, I guess that'd depend on your perspective. Legolas - 25/07/2011 11:17:17 PM 542 Views
Re:I know that Gaps - 27/07/2011 03:39:47 AM 608 Views
Re: Re:I know that Camilla - 27/07/2011 09:04:24 AM 564 Views
Re: He took lives. Gaps - 28/07/2011 12:23:43 AM 418 Views
are we really so bored and entrenched that we are debating the motives of a mad man? *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:13:38 PM 531 Views
Quite. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:03:30 PM 510 Views
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