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Because I was making the post to tell people what was happening Mark Send a noteboard - 22/07/2011 05:26:11 PM
Just because I believe something does not mean that I am correct. It's better to just report the facts and allow people to make their own conclusions. The reason behind making the post was to let people know what was happening rather than what I thought was happening. No official at that stage had said they believed it to be an attack so I didn't either, although I did indicate that the media were leaning that way.
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Large explosion in Oslo and nearby shootings Mark - 22/07/2011 03:52:56 PM 1888 Views
A bit too convenient for an accident, I'd say. Tom - 22/07/2011 03:54:38 PM 615 Views
I agree Mark - 22/07/2011 03:59:16 PM 612 Views
Why do you care about making a claim? You're not a reporter. Tom - 22/07/2011 04:53:06 PM 618 Views
Because I was making the post to tell people what was happening Mark - 22/07/2011 05:26:11 PM 602 Views
He IS reporting LadyLorraine - 22/07/2011 11:46:30 PM 526 Views
Let's not get ridiculous. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:10:26 AM 549 Views
Police in Oslo have confirmed it was a bomb. *NM* Wibble - 22/07/2011 04:15:04 PM 514 Views
Not good - two reported dead so far snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:23:03 PM 618 Views
Re: Not good - two reported dead so far Camilla - 22/07/2011 04:26:15 PM 590 Views
I've long assumed this was the case. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:28:40 PM 552 Views
Ah, I has suspected so snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:32:14 PM 509 Views
I thought everyone loved Norway! Camilla - 22/07/2011 04:26:25 PM 593 Views
'cept Whales snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:31:01 PM 623 Views
Hey, I wouldn't put something like this past Green Peace. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM 556 Views
I would. *NM* Camilla - 22/07/2011 06:52:38 PM 529 Views
Your faith is greater than mine then. Joel - 22/07/2011 10:26:54 PM 549 Views
Sounds like you're confusing Greenpeace with PETA. *NM* Legolas - 22/07/2011 10:53:18 PM 523 Views
Earth First is more likely. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:14:33 PM 623 Views
And 8-11th century Irish and Brits Stephen - 22/07/2011 05:20:07 PM 580 Views
Pics of the site look eerily similar to the Murrah building after the OKC bombing. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:27:03 PM 534 Views
NRK says a press conference is imminent; we'll hopefully know more soon. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:48:07 PM 595 Views
This ain't cool. *NM* LordPerrin - 22/07/2011 04:55:21 PM 568 Views
It is terrible. Spriteling - 22/07/2011 05:13:24 PM 521 Views
There are allegedly also people firing at the youth camp of the Labour party at an island Camilla - 22/07/2011 05:26:29 PM 629 Views
Are Labour the ruling party? Mark - 22/07/2011 05:28:51 PM 561 Views
Yes. One of three. Camilla - 22/07/2011 05:33:42 PM 641 Views
That's horrible. Stephen - 22/07/2011 05:42:07 PM 571 Views
I hope the perpetrators are made to suffer kHz1000 - 22/07/2011 05:53:38 PM 568 Views
7 confirmed dead, 2 severly injured, several with minor injuries. Maria - 22/07/2011 06:45:32 PM 585 Views
and at least 9 additional dead on Utøya... *NM* jh - 22/07/2011 09:23:25 PM 532 Views
Utøya was just.... terrible. Maria - 22/07/2011 09:58:18 PM 560 Views
Despite all these jihadi groups claiming responsibility the police seem to think they are. Camilla - 22/07/2011 09:37:08 PM 630 Views
It sounds a lot like that, yeah; the parallels with OKC are rather striking. Joel - 22/07/2011 10:25:42 PM 696 Views
I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim Aisha - 22/07/2011 10:58:12 PM 604 Views
Re: I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim Camilla - 22/07/2011 11:03:56 PM 651 Views
Not at all. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:35:12 PM 624 Views
Norwegian papers article, in English: Joel - 22/07/2011 10:51:32 PM 730 Views
so "Youth camp" doesnt mean little kids right? Aisha - 22/07/2011 11:05:42 PM 568 Views
I gather 14-18 years old *NM* Isaac - 22/07/2011 11:07:37 PM 484 Views
wow.... *NM* Aisha - 22/07/2011 11:11:34 PM 501 Views
HS kids, from what I can gather. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:45:30 PM 552 Views
The person arrested is Anders Behring Breivik Lews_TherinThelamon - 23/07/2011 01:14:58 AM 552 Views
At least 80 dead so far. Great Lord of Chaos - 23/07/2011 03:09:38 AM 679 Views
Oh I feel sick Aisha - 23/07/2011 03:55:04 AM 598 Views
Yes. *NM* Camilla - 23/07/2011 07:25:46 AM 533 Views
Wow, that's horrible *NM* ßelals Girl - 23/07/2011 05:55:11 AM 542 Views
“It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here.” Ghavrel - 23/07/2011 10:23:48 AM 566 Views
Yeah, but it is quite shocking in such a normally placid country. Joel - 23/07/2011 04:04:04 PM 643 Views
Norwegians cops dont carry guns? Aisha - 23/07/2011 08:05:07 PM 567 Views
Re: Norwegians cops dont carry guns? Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:01:28 PM 592 Views
It's Europe; guns are a lot more heavily regulated. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:32:15 PM 585 Views
Holy crap ironclad - 23/07/2011 11:06:32 AM 572 Views
Sounds like an anarchist, i.e., left-wing nut..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 03:10:55 PM 500 Views
Which explains why he was a member of the far RIGHT party until he became too extreme for even them. Joel - 23/07/2011 03:55:54 PM 561 Views
Try Christian fundamentalist Helene - 23/07/2011 04:12:55 PM 561 Views
Eerm, yeah...What Joel said ironclad - 23/07/2011 04:40:21 PM 617 Views
There's very few facts for anyone to be working with Isaac - 23/07/2011 05:52:26 PM 536 Views
Just having switched off the latest news... ironclad - 23/07/2011 06:21:09 PM 532 Views
The picture may change as more becomes known, but you only said what the police have publicly said. Joel - 23/07/2011 07:24:02 PM 499 Views
Re: Just having switched off the latest news... Isaac - 23/07/2011 09:01:36 PM 486 Views
The official facts we have are clear enough to validate Jens' statement. Joel - 23/07/2011 07:21:46 PM 404 Views
Why can't we just call him a wing-nut and agree? jh - 23/07/2011 07:27:33 PM 651 Views
why cant we call him a terrorist? Aisha - 23/07/2011 08:01:33 PM 545 Views
Because terrorist attacks only happens to the US. jh - 23/07/2011 08:21:05 PM 546 Views
Poes Law, man, Poes Law. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:02:45 PM 509 Views
I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 505 Views
i noticed the Norwegians are calling it a terror attack Aisha - 24/07/2011 03:17:53 AM 539 Views
Christian media bias, eh? Joel - 24/07/2011 03:48:22 AM 543 Views
In the Netherlands they're calling him a Christian fundamentalist. *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 07:13:48 AM 529 Views
Sorry, new laptop. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 490 Views
oh, please. *NM* Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:09:40 PM 502 Views
My thoughts echo yours. Joel - 23/07/2011 03:54:22 PM 531 Views
The people of Norway are in everyones thoughts and prayers. *NM* dart_board - 23/07/2011 12:51:38 PM 523 Views
This is awful, *NM* Nolan - 23/07/2011 03:43:37 PM 520 Views
Absolutely tragic. Sick sick person. *NM* Avendesora - 23/07/2011 03:58:15 PM 464 Views
A victim's account Great Lord of Chaos - 23/07/2011 05:40:01 PM 641 Views
By the way - too bad Norway doesn't have the death penalty.....very justified in this case. *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 08:44:32 PM 482 Views
Very much true kHz1000 - 23/07/2011 09:31:14 PM 545 Views
Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". Joel - 23/07/2011 09:33:52 PM 610 Views
21 years? Wow, what a stupid system..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 09:41:18 PM 501 Views
Re: Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:43:12 PM 650 Views
Anything less than execution is wrong..... trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 09:52:07 PM 573 Views
By the Grace of God, that's not your call to make. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:06:05 PM 547 Views
92 murders = execution trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:09:33 PM 561 Views
I brought up God because you're not Him. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:12:43 PM 549 Views
God doesn't decide anything in society, people do..... trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:15:43 PM 523 Views
Yes, a huge portion of the world is OK with summary execution, but nowhere you or I want to live. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:34:28 PM 557 Views
Nowhere? - the majority of US citizens support the death penalty *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:57:25 PM 495 Views
Not in any form as cut and dried as you presented. Joel - 23/07/2011 11:27:52 PM 566 Views
Yeah, supporting the concept isn't the same as supporting the application..... trzaska2000 - 24/07/2011 02:25:33 AM 526 Views
Doubt can never be completely eliminated from any equation, hence the standard's "reasonable" doubt. Joel - 24/07/2011 03:35:02 AM 550 Views
Yes it can, the two cases I mentioned have no doubt regarding guilt..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 24/07/2011 04:42:13 AM 470 Views
Again, believe what you like, just don't impose it on anyone else. Joel - 24/07/2011 12:02:01 PM 534 Views
I don't think that the Norwegian criminal system is based on that ideal. Great Lord of Chaos - 24/07/2011 03:03:42 PM 488 Views
Which almost without exception makes a lot more sense. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:04:48 PM 536 Views
If Norwegians are fine with their 21 year law why should it bother you? Aisha - 24/07/2011 03:24:56 AM 628 Views
For some reason it's his business. Joel - 24/07/2011 03:51:36 AM 625 Views
Makes sense Aisha - 25/07/2011 01:36:13 AM 605 Views
Sacrificing freedom to protect it has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" act Joel - 25/07/2011 03:53:22 AM 480 Views
Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" of acts Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:36:21 AM 487 Views
... Camilla - 25/07/2011 12:46:40 PM 519 Views
Re: Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" snoopcester - 25/07/2011 01:25:13 PM 525 Views
You need a reason for one, but if you nominally satisfy that minimal requirement they're available. Joel - 25/07/2011 05:28:23 PM 550 Views
they don't seem to have a problem voicing an opinion about our death penalty *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:12:33 PM 607 Views
Yes, if they dish it out, they should be prepared to take it. jh - 26/07/2011 04:05:23 PM 557 Views
I have a feeling Praziquantel - 24/07/2011 04:08:34 AM 548 Views
Not at all. Luckily, we don't have death penalty Maria - 24/07/2011 09:16:28 AM 606 Views
Right wing terrorism always confused me. Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 04:44:34 AM 575 Views
I don't understand how anyone can be a fascist. *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 07:15:16 AM 494 Views
I don't understand how any Italian can not be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 01:51:34 PM 565 Views
Cause fascism didn't do much good for Italy? *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 05:06:34 PM 479 Views
Bahaha yeah except 20 years of peace, prosperity and effective government. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 12:06:35 AM 526 Views
It's important to distinguish between Roman and modern fascism. Joel - 25/07/2011 03:48:24 AM 562 Views
The problem with that is simple. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:15:38 PM 495 Views
I can't speak to Italian civil liberties under Mussolini, but the little I've heard contradicts you. Joel - 25/07/2011 04:27:54 PM 493 Views
Wikipedia, really? Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM 570 Views
Merely for convenience; the things I linked (e.g. blackshirt murder campaigns) are common knowledge. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:00:22 PM 487 Views
Actually yes, he does. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:23:20 AM 509 Views
Actually, I know quite a bit about fascism in Italy Helene - 25/07/2011 08:29:04 AM 616 Views
If you did... Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:05:31 PM 408 Views
You're full of it... and apparently you don't know it. *NM* Helene - 25/07/2011 06:40:14 PM 490 Views
Again, use facts... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:24:02 AM 588 Views
I'm too amused by your unfounded accusations of ignorance Helene - 26/07/2011 06:13:42 AM 465 Views
I don't debate with the ignorant. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 01:43:07 PM 510 Views
My guess is they're viewed as "collaborators". Joel - 24/07/2011 12:05:00 PM 544 Views
Even so. Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 01:55:08 PM 540 Views
Yeah, I can't really explain it; it's insane behavior. Joel - 24/07/2011 04:57:27 PM 518 Views
/ignoring the ridiculous fascism stuff... on the subject of killing your own Camilla - 25/07/2011 04:36:01 PM 554 Views
Regardless. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 05:17:36 PM 521 Views
That's tempting, saying he isn't a "real" or "true" nationalist. Legolas - 25/07/2011 09:20:38 PM 607 Views
Well I just don't comptrehend how he could be a "true" or "real" nationalist... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:25:35 AM 544 Views
That's clearly not true snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:35:05 AM 504 Views
I'm pretty sure it's against nationalism as anyone defines it. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 01:43:56 PM 553 Views
See? snoopcester - 26/07/2011 02:05:09 PM 489 Views
Right, but... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 10:47:29 PM 569 Views
Yes he is on the far right snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM 531 Views
I'm hardly a fanatic. Dragonsoul - 27/07/2011 12:23:09 AM 408 Views
You do come across that way here. snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:05:26 AM 531 Views
Maybe to you, then again if you want to talk about how people come across on the internet... Dragonsoul - 27/07/2011 10:05:39 PM 569 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:27:29 PM 516 Views
How would a Nazi killing ONLY aryans be a Nazi? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:27:03 AM 548 Views
Remember how the Nazis killled socialists and other people who disagreed with them? That is how. *NM* Camilla - 28/07/2011 07:40:24 AM 474 Views
and don't forget it was how the far left killed the people they did like as well random thoughts - 28/07/2011 11:47:26 AM 487 Views
Sorry but when was the USSR nationalistic? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 12:40:46 PM 481 Views
Great Patriotic War ring a bell? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:04:02 PM 493 Views
And how was that nationalistic? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 08:05:01 PM 490 Views
Can you read? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:02:13 PM 510 Views
The rather famous Night of the Long Knives not ring a bell? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 10:34:47 AM 484 Views
Again, I said a Nazi who kills ONLY aryans. Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:03:00 PM 544 Views
So you know for a fact that every Nazi who killed a fellow Aryan nazi that night also killed others? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 08:01:35 PM 490 Views
I have no idea why I want to jump into this but I would just point out two things random thoughts - 28/07/2011 12:46:56 AM 548 Views
Okay that's fair. Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:28:57 AM 537 Views
So horrible. *NM* everynametaken - 24/07/2011 06:24:28 AM 510 Views
Apparently, he plagiarised tehe UNA-bomber in his manifesto Camilla - 24/07/2011 02:52:36 PM 551 Views
Wow, that's impressive, in all the worst senses of the word. Joel - 24/07/2011 05:05:24 PM 495 Views
Unfortunately Anders was a product of this delusional age cmdjing - 24/07/2011 07:15:28 PM 700 Views
I suppose that was intended to be as cryptic as it sounds? *NM* Legolas - 24/07/2011 09:43:49 PM 446 Views
Cryptic's accurate enough but some other descriptions come to mind *NM* Isaac - 25/07/2011 06:58:42 PM 463 Views
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. In a dubious, halfhearted sort of way. Legolas - 25/07/2011 09:21:55 PM 558 Views
Dear God, I hope they don't give him the platform to preach his crap ironclad - 24/07/2011 10:07:37 PM 575 Views
it seems he has won, he has a fan on this website in fact, just look at the thread below yours Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:33:39 AM 523 Views
Having read his manifesto and watched his youtube video... Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 01:50:07 AM 525 Views
Oh, so killing people who are NOT HIS OWN would have been ok? *NM* ironclad - 25/07/2011 10:38:50 AM 459 Views
Would have been understandable. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:03:31 PM 531 Views
Much as it pains me to say, most of his victims were almost certainly not Christian. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:04:21 PM 535 Views
Again. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:26:51 AM 509 Views
I'm amazed that one person could cause this level of death. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:35:33 AM 535 Views
I too was surprised Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:45:10 AM 504 Views
I'm told it takes most of an hour just to DRIVE from Oslo to Utøya. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:14:16 PM 525 Views
galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island. Aisha - 25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM 519 Views
That's because Galveston is more than 26 acres. Joel - 25/07/2011 09:39:06 PM 570 Views
See below: Joel - 26/07/2011 02:03:27 AM 516 Views
If there were reports that someone was slaughter children? random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:18:45 PM 522 Views
A local with a deer rifle vs. a man in combat armor with an automatic rifle and military training? Joel - 25/07/2011 10:36:54 PM 361 Views
yes local, who would have military training as well, could have taken him with a deer rifle random thoughts - 25/07/2011 11:17:08 PM 567 Views
Theoretically; bear in mind that Charles Whitman spent two full hours killing people in the UT tower Joel - 26/07/2011 12:54:51 AM 583 Views
More on response time; it could have been better, but was more like an hour than hour and a half. Joel - 26/07/2011 01:59:30 AM 564 Views
they still are working under the assumption that they had to use heavily armed special forces random thoughts - 26/07/2011 03:09:05 PM 495 Views
The level of planning is what made it possible, and what makes it so chilling. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:25:23 PM 496 Views
I really wish they would stop mentioning he was a fan of True Blood *NM* Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:47:16 AM 450 Views
In the middle of all this, why is that important to you? *NM* Milla - 25/07/2011 09:04:54 AM 526 Views
its important to me to know why its important enough to mention Aisha - 25/07/2011 09:15:11 PM 495 Views
And ego shooter games, as if they were the final trigger *NM* ironclad - 25/07/2011 10:40:33 AM 475 Views
And the fact that he was a Eurovision fan kHz1000 - 25/07/2011 11:23:48 AM 525 Views
are political party sponsored youth camps common in Europe? random thoughts - 25/07/2011 07:13:00 PM 539 Views
It is the labour youth organisation's summer camp Camilla - 25/07/2011 09:11:57 PM 527 Views
sorry but that just seems very odd to me random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:08:07 PM 514 Views
Re: sorry but that just seems very odd to me Camilla - 25/07/2011 10:20:27 PM 522 Views
that would make a big difference random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:32:52 PM 520 Views
I think most such organizations have a somewhat older membership - 16-25 or so. Legolas - 25/07/2011 10:30:04 PM 510 Views
having children who are passed their teens I still considered teenagers kids random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM 514 Views
Yeah, I guess that'd depend on your perspective. Legolas - 25/07/2011 11:17:17 PM 505 Views
Re:I know that Gaps - 27/07/2011 03:39:47 AM 571 Views
Re: Re:I know that Camilla - 27/07/2011 09:04:24 AM 523 Views
Re: He took lives. Gaps - 28/07/2011 12:23:43 AM 387 Views
are we really so bored and entrenched that we are debating the motives of a mad man? *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:13:38 PM 499 Views
Quite. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:03:30 PM 480 Views
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