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See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM
I could pick apart the entire post that you sent based upon plenty of things...and catch you in plenty of moral arguements where you are basically advocating for complete anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body. But I'm not going to do that.

Instead, I'll focus on one little phrase which you've said here (and a variation of what you've said before).

<snip> disgusting and immoral; that doesn't mean they should be illegal </snip>

This phrase was used in this case in regards to prostitution and organ sales. In other contex, you've used something along these lines before....

I have a real difficult time not legislating things that are disgusting and immoral. Why? Because not having rules against it is tantamount to endorsement. No law against beastality, means society is cool with it. No law against murder, means society is cool with it.

Do you see where I'm going with this? We live in a society where freedom is the default setting. Without being expressly told not to do it, it is permissable. Much like when driving (in California at least)...I can do a U-turn at any intersection....unless it tells me that I can't. Society functions much the same way. I can do whatever I want...unless there's a rule against it.

Oh, and I know/realize/understand about the whole love cannot be coerced thing. But please try and keep a barrier between the aspects of loving God and loving our society. You cannot approach the two in the same way....as God is without sin. Society, as evidenced over and over, is rife with sin.

~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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