how many people are really seriously injured that way?
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM
I would think the number of times someone wearing a seatbelt is seriously injured by someone not wearing one is rather small. Insurance companies lobbied to have the laws passed to lower liability payments not to prevent human missle injuries. You could argue that liability is a good enough reason to pass the law since someone else is being forced to pay for your preventable injuries but I think the threat to others argument is a little weak without some solid numbers to back it up. Preventing a few freak accidents is not enough justification to force millions of people to wear seatbelt if they do not want to. Even the liability rules can be better addressed by removing liability claims for people not wearing seat belts. That is a little tougher though and I am not sure it would hold up in court.
You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash
05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM
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Kinda undermines his protest *NM*
05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM
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How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible.
05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM
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New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety
05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM
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He felt his own safety was his own concern.
06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM
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Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident
06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM
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The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables.
06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM
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Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out
06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM
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what a fricking idiot
05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM
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That's your opinion to which you're entitled.
05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM
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Anarchy, baby! *NM*
06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM
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Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy.
06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM
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The public's nose is on the line here too.
06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM
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So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200.
06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM
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I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance.
06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM
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In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity
06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM
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you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please
06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM
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Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments.
06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM
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Uh Joel...
06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM
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Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference.
06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM
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Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense
06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM
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Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting.
06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM
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You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety?
06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM
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It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one.
06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM
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how many people are really seriously injured that way?
06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM
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Hold the phone here...
06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM
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+1 *NM*
06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM
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You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life?
06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM
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im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM*
06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM
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It's really not.
07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM
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i'm really not
07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM
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Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected.
09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM
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Holding the phone here might be good, yes....
06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM
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See...that's the difference between you and me
06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM
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Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me.
06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM
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I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine
06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM
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why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars
06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM
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Helmets help save lives. 'Onest.
07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM
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So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory.
09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM
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