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No, most people don't do that. Reasoning from cognitive biases and anecdotes is much more common. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 30/06/2011 12:18:40 AM
No, nobody's rights should be up to anyone else, unfortunately they have to be, for those of us who support democracy, the reason we entrust it to a majority is we distrust them less than the minority or the individual. We also enshrine personal rights whenever possible inside a document that requires prolonged super-majorities to change, so some kneejerk reaction from the populace doesn't either eradicate them or invent new ones.


Often, gay rights are already implied by a consistent reading of such documents, as many judges have remarked over the past few years. Judge Vaughn Walker, who issued the decision overturning Proposition 8 in California, noted that limiting marriage to one man, one woman constitutes gender discrimination as well as sexual orientation discrimination, and beyond that, it is rooted in conventional ideas about gender roles which we have supposedly progressed beyond as a society.

Beg Pardon, you're the one who used the word 'forcing' and did it in regard to the majority. I am no more fond of the tyranny of the majority than you, but I'm also not fond of the tyranny of the minority either. And history is generally full of a lot more apparently wise and reasonable people who engaged in tyranny because they thought they knew what was best for the lowly masses than it was off frothing megalomaniac monsters who ruled on whim and spouted of cliche villain line, history just tends to rename the former as the latter when the next self-righteous bastard cuts their head off and declares themselves wise and benevolent, taken as a whole I prefer to take a whole bunch of ordinary people, sit them down and let both sides explain their POV, and then ask them what to do, it tends to work better, frankly I trust them to act morally more than I do politicians.


Forcing through the system, not down people's throats. (I really don't know how the rest of this relates even tangentially to the issue at hand.)
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so in your only Catholics are really married? - 26/06/2011 12:04:07 AM 513 Views
Church Doctrine. - 26/06/2011 12:57:39 AM 639 Views
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Yeah okay... - 26/06/2011 05:16:05 PM 566 Views
Are you sure about this? - 30/06/2011 04:47:57 PM 422 Views
Dragonsoul is wrong - 01/07/2011 09:21:43 AM 568 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* - 25/06/2011 04:05:15 PM 210 Views
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Sometimes it is grand not being a True Scottsman *NM* - 26/06/2011 08:21:49 AM 208 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. - 26/06/2011 03:11:06 AM 584 Views
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I am a deeply religious member of the right, and I tell them that all the time *NM* - 26/06/2011 03:30:14 AM 221 Views
Then you're a rare person. *NM* - 26/06/2011 03:36:11 AM 221 Views
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That's more or less true of virtually everything, not a great example - 26/06/2011 07:09:03 AM 506 Views
People shouldn't turn their own religion and/or opinion into law - 28/06/2011 07:33:48 PM 501 Views
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Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational. - 30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM 602 Views
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I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. - 30/06/2011 07:43:51 PM 1046 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. - 30/06/2011 08:59:00 PM 681 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. - 30/06/2011 09:47:30 PM 945 Views
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No, I used the word irrational to mean that it's not rational. - 30/06/2011 09:12:19 PM 525 Views
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Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. - 26/06/2011 10:38:56 PM 672 Views
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My expectations are guided by psychology and history. - 28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM 576 Views
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No, most people don't do that. Reasoning from cognitive biases and anecdotes is much more common. - 30/06/2011 12:18:40 AM 529 Views
Perhaps, you seem to be claiming not do that yourself though - 30/06/2011 01:40:57 PM 620 Views
Empire State Building was lit up in rainbow colors, looked cool *NM* - 25/06/2011 08:21:03 PM 229 Views
Good. *NM* - 25/06/2011 11:41:30 PM 201 Views
So, fifth time is a charm? - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM 618 Views

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