Re: /Simple Question: at what point do you tell people you "know" a language or "speak" it?
Vivien Send a noteboard - 29/06/2011 11:25:42 PM
1. Be able to speak it fluently with a native speaker.
2. The question is, should you? Maybe *you* should, but if language knowledge is not in the job description I think listing a foreign language could be a big mistake. Well, at least in my examples: I've seen a bunch of technology/business type resumes (applying for a job in the US) with asian names and there's a languages section and it will have "english and mandarin chinese" on it. That's a big mistake. Whenever I've encountered such a resume I've done my best to convince its author to delete anything like that.
I've never put anything russian in my resume. My russian was actually valuable in my last position because we had 1 russian client and I was the only one who could translate the documents (although the client did provide a translation of whatever they thought we needed to know). Don't care- that's never going on my resume, unless I learn at least 3 more languages so it doesn't just seem like I'm a non native speaker.
3. I wouldn't, what for? All my friends know I'm russian.
4. english, russian.
2. The question is, should you? Maybe *you* should, but if language knowledge is not in the job description I think listing a foreign language could be a big mistake. Well, at least in my examples: I've seen a bunch of technology/business type resumes (applying for a job in the US) with asian names and there's a languages section and it will have "english and mandarin chinese" on it. That's a big mistake. Whenever I've encountered such a resume I've done my best to convince its author to delete anything like that.
I've never put anything russian in my resume. My russian was actually valuable in my last position because we had 1 russian client and I was the only one who could translate the documents (although the client did provide a translation of whatever they thought we needed to know). Don't care- that's never going on my resume, unless I learn at least 3 more languages so it doesn't just seem like I'm a non native speaker.
3. I wouldn't, what for? All my friends know I'm russian.
4. english, russian.
I am from time to time confronted with the question, "How many languages do you speak?" and the answer is usually difficult because I'm not sure what level of proficiency people are asking about. I suspect that a lot of people around here speak more than one language and that many people have some knowledge of a language but would pause and say "er..." or some variant of that if someone asked if they knew or spoke it.
The thing is that I think the answer to the question varies, depending on why you're being asked. For business purposes, I list several languages in my bio because I want to get as much business as possible. Even there, though, I don't list all the languages that I've studied (and that's not restricted to the dead languages). On Facebook, I haven't listed any languages because the people who do are usually (but not always - I add that because I haven't looked at what all my friends listed ) also the same people who are bragging about this, that and the other and so it seems a bit pretentious.
Of course, I also remember when I started working at my first law firm. They had a "face book" (physical thing, not social media) for all the new attorneys, and a very nice young woman listed as her languages "French, Ancient Greek, Latin" when I am fairly certain that only living languages were requested (for purposes of staffing attorneys to particular transactions - perhaps she was angling for a nice deal with the Vatican).
I suppose there are actually several questions here, although they're variations on the same one:
1. How much of a language should you know to tell someone you know it?
2. How much of a language should you know to list on a resume or work bio?
3. How much of a language should you know to list on social media?
4. How many languages do you know and what are they?
The thing is that I think the answer to the question varies, depending on why you're being asked. For business purposes, I list several languages in my bio because I want to get as much business as possible. Even there, though, I don't list all the languages that I've studied (and that's not restricted to the dead languages). On Facebook, I haven't listed any languages because the people who do are usually (but not always - I add that because I haven't looked at what all my friends listed ) also the same people who are bragging about this, that and the other and so it seems a bit pretentious.
Of course, I also remember when I started working at my first law firm. They had a "face book" (physical thing, not social media) for all the new attorneys, and a very nice young woman listed as her languages "French, Ancient Greek, Latin" when I am fairly certain that only living languages were requested (for purposes of staffing attorneys to particular transactions - perhaps she was angling for a nice deal with the Vatican).
I suppose there are actually several questions here, although they're variations on the same one:
1. How much of a language should you know to tell someone you know it?
2. How much of a language should you know to list on a resume or work bio?
3. How much of a language should you know to list on social media?
4. How many languages do you know and what are they?
/Simple Question: at what point do you tell people you "know" a language or "speak" it?
24/06/2011 02:49:51 AM
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Here's what I tell various people
24/06/2011 03:09:45 AM
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It's interesting that you focus on the literary side
24/06/2011 03:29:36 AM
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I do that because I make some money from translations, so I have to "know" at least one other, no?
24/06/2011 03:41:24 AM
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Re: /Simple Question: at what point do you tell people you "know" a language or "speak" it?
24/06/2011 01:21:52 PM
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I think if you would be able to make not just basic needs known...
24/06/2011 04:58:05 PM
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Very good question.
24/06/2011 08:22:47 PM
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I had a feeling you might enjoy the survey.
24/06/2011 10:50:47 PM
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What can I say, I'm predictable?
25/06/2011 01:00:49 AM
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Two words: constant practice
25/06/2011 02:34:52 AM
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"Sank beneath the the waves of the Lethe" is an incredible phrase. *NM*
26/06/2011 06:01:00 AM
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If you have at least an elementary school understanding of the language
24/06/2011 10:19:45 PM
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My own survey answers
24/06/2011 11:07:12 PM
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Funny how your taste in languages still to learn parallels mine to a great extent.
25/06/2011 01:04:36 AM
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Yeah, and I realized that last list should include Farsi and Arabic.
25/06/2011 02:24:06 AM
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Oh, and Hawaiian. I have about seven books on Hawaiian. All bought in Hawaii, of course. *NM*
25/06/2011 02:35:43 AM
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I suppose Farsi must be easier than Arabic.
26/06/2011 11:18:23 AM
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Re: /Simple Question: at what point do you tell people you "know" a language or "speak" it?
29/06/2011 11:25:42 PM
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