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No. nossy Send a noteboard - 14/06/2011 08:01:45 PM
I thought you knew me better than that.

Just thought you'd realize that I always cover my bases.;)

The point is obviously not that a guy expects a girl to be extremely "out there" their first time having sex, but on the other hand when a girl tells you during that first time that she doesn't "go down" (EVER), then that's just being prudish. At that point in a relationship you need to run, not walk, away from the relationship that you haven't invested a lot of time in because you almost certainly know the sex won't be good. There is a hell of a lot more to a relationship, but things like this help rule people out fast.

I can admit the prudery there, but then isn't it the responsibility of the male not to stay in that relationship? One of the best things I ever learned from sales training is that you can't be mad at someone for something you never told them they couldn't do. Exact meaning doesn't apply, but I think we can extrapolate fairly easily.

And, the fact remains that while there are definitely prudish American women out there, and we probably do have more than the average country, it isn't true that every American woman is prudish. You're missing a few steps out of your proof there.
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I disagree with the whole last third or fourth of the article. Tom - 12/06/2011 02:01:40 AM 957 Views
Re: I disagree with the whole last third or fourth of the article. everynametaken - 12/06/2011 08:49:39 PM 1239 Views
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That isnt fair, Helene *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 06:22:25 PM 480 Views
What isn't fair? Helene - 13/06/2011 08:07:08 PM 1128 Views
I'm not looking for someone to fix, but the not fair bit I was refering to was little irony dig *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:10:11 PM 498 Views
You don't need to be broken to enjoy being appreciated Helene - 13/06/2011 10:17:01 PM 915 Views
No, Helene, You repeatedly attempt to sidetrack discussion with attacks against my person Urza - 13/06/2011 10:20:01 PM 1052 Views
But it makes me feel good Helene - 13/06/2011 10:45:07 PM 925 Views
I'm not a hedonist Urza - 13/06/2011 10:57:25 PM 1081 Views
If you really wanted to debate the actual issue, you would have. *NM* Helene - 13/06/2011 11:51:53 PM 374 Views
So indignant! Novo - 13/06/2011 11:53:41 PM 1083 Views
I don't believe that at all. everynametaken - 13/06/2011 04:48:26 AM 1066 Views
Ok, perhaps I can't talk from experience... as that group of men has self selected out of the game Helene - 13/06/2011 10:47:59 AM 988 Views
Entirely agree *NM* ironclad - 13/06/2011 04:33:04 PM 522 Views
Showing appreciation is a losing strategy. Tom - 13/06/2011 04:55:09 AM 1028 Views
So you don't know how to open a woman up sexually Helene - 13/06/2011 10:51:17 AM 1034 Views
Oh how clever of you! Tom - 13/06/2011 09:59:01 PM 1119 Views
Not to gang up on you or anything, but... Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:15:57 PM 1044 Views
If you'ld actually read his post Tom gave reasons beyond lack of sexual adventuressness *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:17:11 PM 507 Views
Of which the "letting you do your own thing" was the only one I can take seriously. Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:30:10 PM 903 Views
So rather than adress your disagreement on the facts you just pretended he didn't say them? *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:34:02 PM 476 Views
Seriously? You're trying to debate now? Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:37:21 PM 931 Views
Your disregard for rationality offends me. Urza - 13/06/2011 10:40:29 PM 1097 Views
I'm sure that there are Eastern European women who will fulfill the "traditionally female role"? Helene - 13/06/2011 10:43:43 PM 1002 Views
It's that the prudishness is indicative of a more general sense of entitlement and manipulativeness. Dan - 13/06/2011 11:02:20 PM 1120 Views
Yes. And "passive-aggressive behavior" is another one I'd add. *NM* Tom - 13/06/2011 11:18:40 PM 385 Views
So far in this debate, you've only displayed your feelings of entitlement Helene - 14/06/2011 12:05:16 AM 923 Views
I give to the relationship. I give a shitload of money. Tom - 14/06/2011 12:13:47 AM 935 Views
Bringing in money does not a relationship make. The rest, however, sounds a lot better Helene - 14/06/2011 12:38:45 AM 1001 Views
So Let me understand what you are saying... StarrBecca - 14/06/2011 02:40:50 AM 1041 Views
I'm not sure, based on that response, you're capable of understanding anything at all. Tom - 14/06/2011 03:17:37 AM 1054 Views
I can see why you might have trouble finding an American woman who would agree with that random thoughts - 14/06/2011 02:00:49 PM 1040 Views
Guys have their own problems, but the conversation is revolving around women at the moment. *NM* *NM* Dan - 14/06/2011 01:23:20 AM 493 Views
The conversation did start being about MEN's problems. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:36:36 AM 995 Views
Be good, Ana. Urza - 14/06/2011 03:40:12 AM 775 Views
You may be mistaken. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:54:28 AM 1001 Views
Thats unfortuanate, Ana Urza - 14/06/2011 03:58:50 AM 900 Views
I am introspecting, yes. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 04:02:32 AM 902 Views
No, I wasnt attempting to do so Urza - 14/06/2011 04:09:29 AM 1057 Views
Re: You may be mistaken. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:21:16 AM 1057 Views
The only reason the conversation is revolving around women is because Tom laid all the blame at Helene - 14/06/2011 07:35:34 AM 1092 Views
Let's be clear: I was speaking about American women *NM* Tom - 14/06/2011 02:10:10 PM 389 Views
Oh, that part is quite clear. *NM* nossy - 14/06/2011 08:25:08 PM 509 Views
Wow.. all the misogynists came out to play Helene - 13/06/2011 11:57:05 PM 1099 Views
I'm glad you're in here. nossy - 14/06/2011 12:04:03 AM 1045 Views
Seconded *NM* Camilla - 14/06/2011 04:46:38 PM 459 Views
I don't see a lot of misogyny. Tom - 14/06/2011 12:59:06 AM 865 Views
You are blind to misogyny because you lack awareness in that area Helene - 14/06/2011 07:38:48 AM 926 Views
Okay, so I'm a date rapist and a misogynist...real classy Tom - 14/06/2011 02:11:40 PM 861 Views
I neither called you a date rapist nor a misogynist Helene - 14/06/2011 03:10:46 PM 899 Views
Why misogynist? Why not Anti-American? Dan - 14/06/2011 01:32:17 AM 1421 Views
So, which women are better than American women? Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:38:38 AM 1070 Views
Re: Haha Gaps - 14/06/2011 04:18:46 AM 960 Views
You seem very intent on coming off as the smartest guy in the room. Dan - 14/06/2011 04:40:26 AM 1059 Views
I think that's an unfair characterization of the RP board Isaac - 14/06/2011 04:58:29 AM 951 Views
Ha! I'm just fucking around. Dan - 14/06/2011 05:14:20 AM 992 Views
Re: Ha! I'm just fucking around. Isaac - 14/06/2011 05:42:37 AM 813 Views
Who are you, again? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:07:04 AM 804 Views
Tsk. I need to be more memorable. Dan - 14/06/2011 05:16:33 AM 1130 Views
Well, try to be more openminded. Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:22:52 AM 1032 Views
Fair enough. I do quite like Gaps. Dan - 14/06/2011 05:31:05 AM 1027 Views
Why all this vitriol? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:18:16 AM 992 Views
Book clubs? Bullshit! women shouldn't be reading at all!!! everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:28:41 AM 1012 Views
Re: Oh wow, nice. Gaps - 14/06/2011 12:25:53 PM 804 Views
Perhaps one day I'll get a Chinese husband. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 04:41:59 AM 1103 Views
Er, see my post withe country names in it. I hate this messageboard layout. *NM* *NM* Dan - 14/06/2011 04:50:31 AM 465 Views
Spain, Norway, Japan? Dan - 14/06/2011 04:38:43 AM 1061 Views
Norway is the only one that passes. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 01:14:54 PM 904 Views
I really like the Netherlands Helene - 14/06/2011 01:29:08 PM 976 Views
Re: I really like the Netherlands Camilla - 14/06/2011 04:51:11 PM 876 Views
Why did I pick that one? Because you completely ignore men's part in a culture that sexually Helene - 14/06/2011 07:54:39 AM 1062 Views
Helene, you're also not an American woman. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 01:03:23 PM 1070 Views
It's the people who make sweeping generalisations about American women who need to defend themselves Helene - 14/06/2011 01:18:43 PM 910 Views
You're not American either. *NM* Tom - 14/06/2011 02:26:34 PM 344 Views
I didn't ignore it at all. I just bracketed it. It's quite possible, you know. Dan - 14/06/2011 08:49:03 PM 1046 Views
You have strange expectations and ideas of me. *NM* Helene - 14/06/2011 08:52:09 PM 430 Views
Likewise. BFF? *NM* Dan - 14/06/2011 09:08:53 PM 372 Views
I don't exactly expect to influence your opinion, just to voice my own. Helene - 13/06/2011 10:40:39 PM 918 Views
The last part summed it up nicely. That was all I thought you meant anyway. Tashmere - 14/06/2011 03:17:45 AM 924 Views
Nice! /me high Fives Helene!! *NM* StarrBecca - 14/06/2011 02:32:27 AM 353 Views
Oh, but I can do any and all of these things! Novo - 14/06/2011 12:06:41 AM 1047 Views
I said there were exceptions. Tom - 14/06/2011 03:50:27 AM 913 Views
True. Novo - 14/06/2011 09:03:46 PM 873 Views
hey! I really like your poem "name" - syllables knowing other lovers - excellent. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:49:06 AM 848 Views
Thanks! *NM* Novo - 15/06/2011 09:44:18 PM 493 Views
I agree. Aeryn - 13/06/2011 01:23:51 PM 1010 Views
Obviously inside the bedroom. Helene - 13/06/2011 05:17:31 PM 1094 Views
Inside the bedroom? Sure. I could agree. But you're not American anyway. Tom - 13/06/2011 08:52:42 PM 969 Views
You're basically just saying that American attitudes toward sex results in repressed women Helene - 13/06/2011 09:03:47 PM 1051 Views
Theoretically they can be "unrepressed". But why waste the time and effort? Tom - 13/06/2011 10:06:52 PM 1106 Views
How can you tell it's because she cares, instead of because that's what's traditionally expected Helene - 13/06/2011 10:48:12 PM 1024 Views
That's a good point! *NM* Vivien - 15/06/2011 04:49:11 AM 480 Views
The answer is that it doesn't matter. Vivien - 16/06/2011 05:35:47 PM 1097 Views
I agree that the answer doesn't matter Helene - 16/06/2011 07:09:44 PM 787 Views
It's funny nossy - 13/06/2011 02:51:03 PM 1173 Views
Well of course you can't see the faults of American women. You're American. Tom - 13/06/2011 08:51:35 PM 1067 Views
I'm sure that American women, along with all other women on earth Helene - 13/06/2011 09:00:33 PM 1090 Views
It's not my job to make a girl comfortable about her sexuality. Tom - 13/06/2011 10:03:27 PM 980 Views
THIS *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:09:14 PM 460 Views
If the sex is all there is, then yes, makes sense. Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:18:15 PM 1071 Views
Who willingly goes into a relationship knowing the sex will be bad? Tom - 14/06/2011 03:52:43 AM 985 Views
You and your friends? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:46:53 AM 959 Views
And you don't think that the men in these relationships contributed to the current situation at all? Helene - 14/06/2011 07:59:15 AM 777 Views
In this particular aspect, absolutely not. Tom - 14/06/2011 02:19:33 PM 959 Views
Of course I consider that you might be right Helene - 14/06/2011 03:59:50 PM 1077 Views
I'm not ignoring any complexities Tom - 14/06/2011 05:00:04 PM 1026 Views
^ And this response immediately above is my last. This is eating into a real workday now. ^ Tom - 14/06/2011 05:53:43 PM 960 Views
Loads of people, if that's compensated by other things? Legolas - 14/06/2011 08:38:45 PM 1131 Views
I would rather be in a good marriage with bad sex than the other way around *NM* random thoughts - 14/06/2011 10:33:27 PM 540 Views
I suspect that you are in a good marriage with good sex. Tashmere - 16/06/2011 01:55:29 AM 1053 Views
Of course it is your job as a sex partner to make your partner feel comfortable about being with you Helene - 13/06/2011 10:50:52 PM 904 Views
THIS. *NM* globug0822 - 13/06/2011 11:49:28 PM 435 Views
I was going to say the same. nossy - 14/06/2011 12:11:18 AM 1095 Views
Like fucking Hell it is. Tom - 14/06/2011 12:18:02 AM 866 Views
You're totally cracking me up in here. nossy - 14/06/2011 12:30:39 AM 1002 Views
You think you're offending me? Tom - 14/06/2011 01:10:56 AM 1002 Views
No. nossy - 14/06/2011 08:01:45 PM 1032 Views
Have you ever been accused of date rape? Helene - 14/06/2011 12:46:30 AM 822 Views
No. And that's an absurd question. Tom - 14/06/2011 01:08:13 AM 898 Views
No, the point you were arguing was absurd. I just pointed out what you were arguing. Helene - 14/06/2011 08:03:13 AM 1074 Views
Let's cut the sophistry Tom - 14/06/2011 02:24:52 PM 1062 Views
What's the definition of prude anyway? Vivien - 14/06/2011 03:58:03 PM 934 Views
If that's what you wanted to say, it would have helped for you to be more explicit. Helene - 14/06/2011 04:10:43 PM 994 Views
"Why do these women use sex as a manipulative tool?" Tom - 14/06/2011 05:06:33 PM 1035 Views
It seems to me there is a very simple answer to that question. Sareitha Sedai - 14/06/2011 05:26:09 PM 939 Views
I don't think it works at all. Tom - 14/06/2011 05:48:48 PM 906 Views
Your anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. Sareitha Sedai - 14/06/2011 06:31:28 PM 1176 Views
I don't think so. Tashmere - 15/06/2011 03:50:25 AM 927 Views
I agree with every single thing you just said. *NM* Tom - 15/06/2011 05:03:05 AM 369 Views
Oddly enough, I do too Sareitha Sedai - 15/06/2011 02:00:39 PM 1026 Views
I agree with Sareitha. Women do that because it (apears to) works for them, in the short term Helene - 14/06/2011 08:28:11 PM 874 Views
I can't see that I would put up with that either random thoughts - 14/06/2011 10:32:09 PM 961 Views
Right nossy - 14/06/2011 10:59:10 PM 941 Views
mode was a typeo but I guess it still works random thoughts - 14/06/2011 11:23:11 PM 1048 Views
I haven't tried it either. Seems to me like that is closely related to The Silent Treatment. Tashmere - 15/06/2011 03:43:45 AM 1046 Views
A fairly self-aware American. With many female friends, even nossy - 13/06/2011 11:59:34 PM 1044 Views
Yeah I don't buy that "most American girls are prudes" concept random thoughts - 14/06/2011 04:10:37 PM 666 Views
I think most of it depends on the "type" of girl a guy goes for. nossy - 14/06/2011 11:09:34 PM 984 Views
some times there is a fine line between kinky and perverted sometimes there isn't random thoughts - 14/06/2011 11:32:17 PM 1086 Views
A moment Camilla - 14/06/2011 05:01:05 PM 905 Views
Camilla, I'm trying to keep this at arm's length a bit. Tom - 14/06/2011 05:42:18 PM 914 Views
But you started it. nossy - 14/06/2011 08:43:47 PM 975 Views
I did start it, yes. Tom - 16/06/2011 03:32:54 PM 947 Views
You should have quit before this. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 03:46:01 PM 1026 Views
No, I shouldn't have. Tom - 16/06/2011 04:03:21 PM 974 Views
The problem with your list is that it's performance-oriented. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 10:45:22 PM 922 Views
Of course it's performance-oriented. Tom - 16/06/2011 10:54:22 PM 873 Views
This really made me laugh Sareitha Sedai - 16/06/2011 04:26:32 PM 946 Views
Re: I did start it, yes. Camilla - 16/06/2011 03:46:06 PM 844 Views
Yes, we do! Tom - 16/06/2011 04:04:02 PM 1040 Views
Having now looked over the smileys Camilla - 16/06/2011 04:09:55 PM 1016 Views
See what I'm talking about? Tom - 16/06/2011 07:09:10 PM 934 Views
That may have been the worst pun ever! *NM* Tashmere - 17/06/2011 12:47:50 AM 473 Views
I try *NM* Camilla - 17/06/2011 09:57:32 AM 462 Views
Take is up the ass or you are a prude? random thoughts - 16/06/2011 04:09:54 PM 1158 Views
Maybe Tom will make allowances for preferences instead of an unwillingness because it's "wrong"? *NM* Helene - 16/06/2011 04:22:45 PM 453 Views
You didn't read the list very well. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:08:19 PM 977 Views
It appears I didn't read it very well. I apologize for that random thoughts - 16/06/2011 10:16:02 PM 933 Views
No problems. Tom - 16/06/2011 10:57:46 PM 866 Views
Re: The idea that If it hurts it's not being done right - Not neccessarily. Tashmere - 17/06/2011 01:13:18 AM 972 Views
It just requires more preparation. Tom - 17/06/2011 04:49:52 AM 1338 Views
I have to say, I actually find this list reasonable. Sareitha Sedai - 16/06/2011 04:35:40 PM 947 Views
I agree nossy - 16/06/2011 05:10:07 PM 864 Views
Exactly! It's the "nexus of activity" sort of idea. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:18:33 PM 812 Views
If I weren't such a prude (3), I would post this list to facebook. nossy - 16/06/2011 05:08:05 PM 1039 Views
In other words, you aren't a prude on that scale. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:20:35 PM 842 Views
Eh nossy - 16/06/2011 08:17:31 PM 1041 Views
You mixed up prudishness and sexual compatibility with you Helene - 16/06/2011 05:21:31 PM 1055 Views
This. *NM* Camilla - 16/06/2011 06:18:41 PM 506 Views
No I didn't. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:14:27 PM 953 Views
Calling my response a knee jerk reaction is just silly, and in itself, a knee jerk response. Helene - 16/06/2011 07:38:28 PM 1161 Views
Okay. I'm going to just stop replying. Tom - 16/06/2011 08:28:02 PM 753 Views
Your world view is just too self referential to be Helene - 16/06/2011 08:36:39 PM 972 Views
As is yours. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2011 08:44:10 PM 351 Views
That makes no sense. You have the narrower view. *NM* Helene - 16/06/2011 09:07:37 PM 459 Views
So you say. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2011 09:09:21 PM 447 Views
Question ßelals Girl - 16/06/2011 07:42:37 PM 957 Views
Ha Ha, who cares about the guy? It is only female sexuality that is on trial. Vivien - 16/06/2011 08:06:33 PM 888 Views
That is an incorrect assumption. Tom - 16/06/2011 08:30:08 PM 922 Views
Awww you didn't take my bait! Vivien - 16/06/2011 08:44:16 PM 842 Views
There's very little I haven't been willing to do Tom - 16/06/2011 08:52:31 PM 957 Views
Hehehe, But *I* recall it! Vivien - 16/06/2011 09:22:40 PM 990 Views
Wait, I think I know what you're talking about. Tom - 16/06/2011 09:27:20 PM 945 Views
Damn, I was going to guess "in a coffin". Sareitha Sedai - 16/06/2011 09:31:36 PM 1150 Views
She's significantly younger than O'Donnell, and was better looking. Tom - 16/06/2011 09:33:51 PM 963 Views
Seriously? Vivien - 16/06/2011 09:50:20 PM 972 Views
The girl was never a girlfriend or a sexual partner. Tom - 16/06/2011 11:06:38 PM 952 Views
I'm reminded of an ex of mine Helene - 16/06/2011 08:32:34 PM 766 Views
That's really awful. Vivien - 16/06/2011 09:16:33 PM 1049 Views
When you're with a person who appreciates you, it's not like that at all Helene - 16/06/2011 09:29:32 PM 744 Views
Of course. Tom - 16/06/2011 08:29:11 PM 808 Views
Fair enough *NM* ßelals Girl - 17/06/2011 07:20:38 PM 460 Views
THIS!! LISTEN!! the woman is * lightbulb* speaking from a woman's perspective. StarrBecca - 14/06/2011 02:52:26 AM 1059 Views
Your way out of line Urza - 14/06/2011 02:55:46 AM 844 Views
Wondering why we're still single, are we? Try a minimum of politeness first. Tom - 14/06/2011 03:21:15 AM 807 Views
Where did I insinuate you can't please women? *NM* Helene - 14/06/2011 08:05:14 AM 333 Views
I refer you to "So you don't know how to open a woman up sexually" *NM* Tom - 14/06/2011 02:09:40 PM 393 Views
That's not about pleasing, that's about making someone feel confident and safe Helene - 14/06/2011 04:13:24 PM 1006 Views
What B/c i sank you YOUR level? Piss Off. AS if I give 2 shits what you think about me. StarrBecca - 16/06/2011 02:19:04 AM 1142 Views
Becca, can you pinpoint the moment you became a bitter worndown shell of a woman? *NM* Urza - 16/06/2011 03:21:21 AM 468 Views
I read this. Ectheledhel - 16/06/2011 03:40:51 AM 1031 Views
The name-calling is uncalled for, Rebecca ironclad - 16/06/2011 11:10:04 AM 1001 Views
Given the vehemence of your response, you do care. Tom - 16/06/2011 03:19:42 PM 1034 Views
I appreciate the support, nossy - 14/06/2011 10:37:20 PM 1008 Views
Your journal entry is revealing. You sound bitter and hurt. I hope you find the healing you need. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:40:23 AM 1011 Views
You know what? not called for. *NM* Aeryn - 15/06/2011 02:05:14 PM 332 Views
Why not? everynametaken - 15/06/2011 11:59:36 PM 911 Views
The first portion of what you said, isn't yours to say. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 03:43:57 PM 732 Views
I'm with Anastasia on this. Legolas - 16/06/2011 06:39:56 PM 1067 Views
Re: It's funny Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:50:13 AM 1033 Views
Re: It's funny nossy - 14/06/2011 10:28:32 PM 1081 Views
On a completely unrelated note ironclad - 14/06/2011 11:03:58 PM 950 Views
Re: On a completely unrelated note TaskmasterJack - 14/06/2011 11:14:18 PM 986 Views
Bummer *NM* ironclad - 14/06/2011 11:20:24 PM 439 Views
TMJ is right. Aeryn - 15/06/2011 02:11:57 PM 1018 Views
Re: TMJ is right. TaskmasterJack - 16/06/2011 12:22:10 AM 1079 Views
Yes. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 03:41:05 PM 891 Views
Re: Yes. TaskmasterJack - 17/06/2011 01:51:11 AM 827 Views
Gee thanks. Aeryn - 17/06/2011 05:04:37 AM 1267 Views
Didn't suit you. TaskmasterJack - 18/06/2011 12:58:53 AM 1029 Views
On a totally unrelated note... everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:43:23 AM 972 Views
Excuse me while I go hit something. A journalism major perhaps. *NM* Urza - 12/06/2011 09:09:26 PM 447 Views
Stunning rebuttal!!! *NM* everynametaken - 12/06/2011 10:07:39 PM 337 Views
Theres nothing there I really need to refute.... Urza - 13/06/2011 01:20:43 AM 889 Views
Well, thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion. *NM* everynametaken - 13/06/2011 04:41:56 AM 344 Views
Is there a reason you feel the need to jump up my ass? *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 05:16:53 AM 497 Views
Your winning personality? Camilla - 13/06/2011 03:45:09 PM 987 Views
I'd say 'endearing' is the proper term. Novo - 13/06/2011 10:43:01 PM 916 Views
Nice name new. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:44:25 AM 943 Views
Wow. Interesting. *NM* globug0822 - 13/06/2011 07:04:08 AM 427 Views
Giving up porn (a male perspective) Postsecret - 13/06/2011 04:29:52 PM 1037 Views
Thanks for sharing. ^_^ *NM* globug0822 - 13/06/2011 09:05:51 PM 489 Views
of course looking at tons of porn all the time is going to affect men random thoughts - 13/06/2011 11:15:02 PM 1113 Views
You make a lot of sense, thanks for posting and adding your perspective. *NM* Helene - 14/06/2011 12:11:03 AM 332 Views
Re: It's a sexy topic, but all these generalizations are becoming wet blankets. Gaps - 14/06/2011 02:13:31 AM 1025 Views
I think this and the replies by Post Secret and random thoughts all kind of get at my ideas here. Sareitha Sedai - 14/06/2011 02:30:52 PM 1034 Views
There is way too much crap in this thread, but I give this reply my seal of approval. *NM* Nate - 14/06/2011 05:02:04 PM 481 Views
I think you are spot on with the seal theory. Camilla - 14/06/2011 05:16:59 PM 1080 Views
Dirty motherfuckers! We need to lift all bans on whaling immediately to stem this momentum! *NM* everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:56:30 AM 474 Views
[something less snarky] nossy - 14/06/2011 10:17:18 PM 1113 Views
Re: What? Gaps - 15/06/2011 12:01:36 AM 1075 Views
Re: What? nossy - 15/06/2011 12:20:56 AM 1026 Views
Re: How come your 1st edit is not at all what was originally posted? Gaps - 15/06/2011 03:06:02 AM 1048 Views
About time to reevaluate Tom's claims, I think, eh? *NM* Dan - 15/06/2011 03:59:31 AM 464 Views
my turn: what? nossy - 15/06/2011 04:12:51 AM 1087 Views
Wow, well speaking as a prude... Isaac - 14/06/2011 03:36:23 AM 1058 Views
Funny how so many fault lines rupture in the comments to posts like this Larry - 14/06/2011 04:23:23 AM 1148 Views
To quote Cat Valente: Aeryn - 14/06/2011 04:37:39 AM 869 Views
It is a two-way street, unfortunately Larry - 14/06/2011 04:40:58 AM 987 Views
so the problem is southern women are just not good enough for you? random thoughts - 14/06/2011 01:51:30 PM 970 Views
No, more like not similar enough Larry - 14/06/2011 04:13:52 PM 996 Views
Some people aren't cut out to be in a relationship Helene - 14/06/2011 04:25:09 PM 1012 Views
True Larry - 14/06/2011 04:56:05 PM 837 Views
As someone who has never lived under the same roof more than five consecutive years random thoughts - 14/06/2011 06:06:10 PM 1088 Views
Job. Always a job matter. Larry - 14/06/2011 11:22:33 PM 1133 Views
Try south Texas, you may not notice you are not in South America random thoughts - 15/06/2011 02:44:21 AM 925 Views
Ha! I used to live in the metro Miami area, so I know what you mean Larry - 15/06/2011 03:20:41 AM 976 Views
sweet jesus you are crazy random thoughts - 15/06/2011 04:38:28 AM 828 Views
Maybe, but it certainly drains me of being involved much elsewhere Larry - 15/06/2011 05:29:21 AM 1055 Views
Why all this vitriol? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:19:47 AM 959 Views
It started there here: Aeryn - 14/06/2011 01:06:32 PM 1026 Views
Tom made an untenable comment Helene - 14/06/2011 01:21:06 PM 934 Views
Interestingly, the article talked about men being prudish in their real lives. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:27:00 PM 1017 Views
I figure this may be true, but I can't speak from a lot of experience. Helene - 14/06/2011 04:23:08 PM 882 Views
I was writing a lengthy reply to disagree, but then I ended up rather close to where you stand. Legolas - 14/06/2011 09:17:55 PM 965 Views
I think men do worry if their wife is to focused on sex random thoughts - 14/06/2011 10:26:56 PM 1062 Views
Re: I think men do worry if their wife is to focused on sex Macharius - 15/06/2011 02:26:30 PM 913 Views
Book clubs are scary places Camilla - 14/06/2011 05:03:03 PM 751 Views
Chocolate, wine, books. Also tea? Novo - 14/06/2011 09:00:06 PM 1059 Views
Maybe without the wine? Vivien - 15/06/2011 05:06:53 AM 937 Views
I don't feel particularly vitriolic. nossy - 14/06/2011 10:18:44 PM 957 Views
I didn't mean you... Vivien - 15/06/2011 05:24:56 AM 952 Views
We haven't had one of these in a while! ßelals Girl - 14/06/2011 06:36:18 AM 997 Views
Agreed. I laughed, I cried, it was touching. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/06/2011 08:49:40 AM 335 Views
Yes, it takes a good flame war to get the engines firing on all cylinders. Stephen - 14/06/2011 02:00:20 PM 875 Views
This post got more abused than a nasty Japanese bukkake! Lol. *NM* everynametaken - 15/06/2011 10:07:04 AM 526 Views
I started to read this but got bored and looked at porn. Tigr - 14/06/2011 03:15:28 PM 1014 Views
Re: I started to read this but got bored and looked at porn. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:27:51 PM 1070 Views
Oh yeah. Tigr - 14/06/2011 03:31:42 PM 1048 Views
nossy - 14/06/2011 08:48:55 PM 1040 Views
I think I've read pretty much all of it. I think it's better than porn. Well, bad porn. TaskmasterJack - 14/06/2011 11:01:20 PM 1019 Views
that was funny *NM* random thoughts - 15/06/2011 02:42:13 AM 345 Views
Bad porn is the worst! Tigr - 15/06/2011 02:13:59 PM 872 Views
You know what Tom, it occurs to me that this is very American thinking. Vivien - 15/06/2011 03:07:00 AM 947 Views
Actually, my Russian guy friends tend to be more vehement than I am on this point. Tom - 15/06/2011 05:12:51 AM 1273 Views
Huh, could it be because most Russians are atheist? Vivien - 15/06/2011 05:36:47 AM 1057 Views
That could be a major part of it Tom - 16/06/2011 09:06:21 PM 910 Views
Well, there's no question that a prior consultation with me could strengthen any argument. *NM* Vivien - 16/06/2011 10:36:12 PM 421 Views
Ah, you've seen EuroTrip, too. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 17/06/2011 01:52:27 AM 451 Views
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