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I don't exactly expect to influence your opinion, just to voice my own. Helene Send a noteboard - 13/06/2011 10:40:39 PM
Your opinion seems pretty set anyway. It would be weird if a post on an internet forum could change it.

I can tell from your expectations of women, that yes, American women will be less likely to fit in with what you are looking for.

You make a stupid catty remark and expect that it somehow influences peoples' opinions? I was pointing out a very valid and nearly universally held conviction.


I understand that you base your world view on your own experiences, but I would have thought that you would at least have a level of awareness that you and your friends are not exactly representative of mankind.

None of my European friends would even consider wasting their time dating an American girl (unless they need a green card for some reason), and nearly all of my American friends profess a preference for European women over Americans (the remainder are crazy about Asians). You can try to laugh it off all you want, but it doesn't change the way things are.


The self selected group you just described probably holds those views. But that's hardly statistically relevant.

If you actually are going to be mature enough to have a serious conversation about the topic, I will let you comment on a few relationships that come to mind in this department.


You blamed porn addiction on American women, and call me out on maturity?

1. College friend, American, works in the South (let's call him Joe). Joe works in real estate and makes good money. He can cook and is a neat freak (and I always thought I was until I met him). He is well-dressed, well-spoken and courteous. He married a woman who is a medical worker of some sort (but not a doctor). They have been married for 4 years and she refuses to even have oral sex. We, his friends, say that he should have divorced her immediately on finding this out. He has been appreciative, both inside and outside the bedroom, and there is no reason why she should be like this.


He got married to her without ever receiving oral sex, and then expected to get oral sex after marriage? I'm not getting enough details here to be able to comment. I don't know why she doesn't want to either get or give (which is it?) oral sex.

2. Law school friend, American, works in NY (let's call him Bill). Bill is a lawyer married to another lawyer and makes good money. Bill has been married for two years and gets sex about once a month, tops, and then it is only missionary position. Nothing other than vaginal intercourse. We, his friends, are very very sad for him. Since his wife is a lawyer the divorce would be absolute hell but since they don't have kids it shouldn't be as difficult. Obviously it would be expensive and nasty.


Was she very different before marriage? Again, not enough information to be able to tell how things were before and after, and if things have changed, why.

3. Friend in the city, works in NY, dated American girl recently (let's call him Dave). Dave has a small business and recently dated an American girl. He quickly stopped dating her because she was playing games about not having sex and he didn't have time to waste on that.


Sounds like a smart plan.

To be sure, I know you can find plenty of women who won't perform oral sex all over the world, as well as women who don't want to have sex more than once a month, or that play games about sex.

E.g. my fiance often comments about the sexual relationships of his colleagues at work, and how they're not getting as much as they used to, how this woman doesn't want to do that, etc. etc. How it all becomes less after a while.

The thing is, a satisfying long term sexual relationship requires a mutual commitment to wanting to make your partner feel desirable. A good way to show this is by appreciating your partner, by letting them know verbally, emotionally, physically, that you find them attractive. That way, you create a positive spiral that will improve your sexual connection over time, instead of it tapering out.

Of course, I only speak from 6 years experience, but so far, so good.

(edit was typo)
This message last edited by Helene on 13/06/2011 at 10:41:44 PM
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He’s Just Not That Into Anyone (an article about watching porn and men's changing libidos). everynametaken - 11/06/2011 10:52:10 PM 3223 Views
I disagree with the whole last third or fourth of the article. Tom - 12/06/2011 02:01:40 AM 996 Views
Re: I disagree with the whole last third or fourth of the article. everynametaken - 12/06/2011 08:49:39 PM 1281 Views
A lot of guys who get hooked on porn don't know how to approach women Helene - 12/06/2011 10:55:17 PM 1215 Views
Funny Urza - 13/06/2011 01:22:28 AM 1192 Views
You obviously never had a fulfilling long term sexual relationship with a woman. Helene - 13/06/2011 10:43:23 AM 968 Views
Oh My Urza - 13/06/2011 03:29:34 PM 995 Views
*giggle* Camilla - 13/06/2011 03:46:28 PM 1048 Views
What did I do to put a bee in your bonnet? *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 06:23:01 PM 459 Views
Bee? Camilla - 13/06/2011 06:24:35 PM 990 Views
Oh, I tend to be loving and appreciative Helene - 13/06/2011 05:08:56 PM 957 Views
That isnt fair, Helene *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 06:22:25 PM 495 Views
What isn't fair? Helene - 13/06/2011 08:07:08 PM 1219 Views
I'm not looking for someone to fix, but the not fair bit I was refering to was little irony dig *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:10:11 PM 513 Views
You don't need to be broken to enjoy being appreciated Helene - 13/06/2011 10:17:01 PM 957 Views
No, Helene, You repeatedly attempt to sidetrack discussion with attacks against my person Urza - 13/06/2011 10:20:01 PM 1094 Views
But it makes me feel good Helene - 13/06/2011 10:45:07 PM 964 Views
I'm not a hedonist Urza - 13/06/2011 10:57:25 PM 1126 Views
If you really wanted to debate the actual issue, you would have. *NM* Helene - 13/06/2011 11:51:53 PM 398 Views
So indignant! Novo - 13/06/2011 11:53:41 PM 1131 Views
I don't believe that at all. everynametaken - 13/06/2011 04:48:26 AM 1111 Views
Ok, perhaps I can't talk from experience... as that group of men has self selected out of the game Helene - 13/06/2011 10:47:59 AM 1031 Views
Entirely agree *NM* ironclad - 13/06/2011 04:33:04 PM 539 Views
Showing appreciation is a losing strategy. Tom - 13/06/2011 04:55:09 AM 1074 Views
So you don't know how to open a woman up sexually Helene - 13/06/2011 10:51:17 AM 1071 Views
Oh how clever of you! Tom - 13/06/2011 09:59:01 PM 1160 Views
Not to gang up on you or anything, but... Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:15:57 PM 1091 Views
If you'ld actually read his post Tom gave reasons beyond lack of sexual adventuressness *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:17:11 PM 524 Views
Of which the "letting you do your own thing" was the only one I can take seriously. Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:30:10 PM 948 Views
So rather than adress your disagreement on the facts you just pretended he didn't say them? *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:34:02 PM 496 Views
Seriously? You're trying to debate now? Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:37:21 PM 969 Views
Your disregard for rationality offends me. Urza - 13/06/2011 10:40:29 PM 1135 Views
I'm sure that there are Eastern European women who will fulfill the "traditionally female role"? Helene - 13/06/2011 10:43:43 PM 1044 Views
It's that the prudishness is indicative of a more general sense of entitlement and manipulativeness. Dan - 13/06/2011 11:02:20 PM 1167 Views
Yes. And "passive-aggressive behavior" is another one I'd add. *NM* Tom - 13/06/2011 11:18:40 PM 405 Views
So far in this debate, you've only displayed your feelings of entitlement Helene - 14/06/2011 12:05:16 AM 965 Views
I give to the relationship. I give a shitload of money. Tom - 14/06/2011 12:13:47 AM 976 Views
Bringing in money does not a relationship make. The rest, however, sounds a lot better Helene - 14/06/2011 12:38:45 AM 1040 Views
So Let me understand what you are saying... StarrBecca - 14/06/2011 02:40:50 AM 1085 Views
I'm not sure, based on that response, you're capable of understanding anything at all. Tom - 14/06/2011 03:17:37 AM 1099 Views
I can see why you might have trouble finding an American woman who would agree with that random thoughts - 14/06/2011 02:00:49 PM 1088 Views
Guys have their own problems, but the conversation is revolving around women at the moment. *NM* *NM* Dan - 14/06/2011 01:23:20 AM 509 Views
The conversation did start being about MEN's problems. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:36:36 AM 1038 Views
Be good, Ana. Urza - 14/06/2011 03:40:12 AM 823 Views
You may be mistaken. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:54:28 AM 1047 Views
Thats unfortuanate, Ana Urza - 14/06/2011 03:58:50 AM 940 Views
I am introspecting, yes. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 04:02:32 AM 937 Views
No, I wasnt attempting to do so Urza - 14/06/2011 04:09:29 AM 1095 Views
Re: You may be mistaken. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:21:16 AM 1106 Views
The only reason the conversation is revolving around women is because Tom laid all the blame at Helene - 14/06/2011 07:35:34 AM 1129 Views
Let's be clear: I was speaking about American women *NM* Tom - 14/06/2011 02:10:10 PM 416 Views
Oh, that part is quite clear. *NM* nossy - 14/06/2011 08:25:08 PM 524 Views
Wow.. all the misogynists came out to play Helene - 13/06/2011 11:57:05 PM 1141 Views
I'm glad you're in here. nossy - 14/06/2011 12:04:03 AM 1088 Views
Seconded *NM* Camilla - 14/06/2011 04:46:38 PM 477 Views
I don't see a lot of misogyny. Tom - 14/06/2011 12:59:06 AM 904 Views
You are blind to misogyny because you lack awareness in that area Helene - 14/06/2011 07:38:48 AM 975 Views
Okay, so I'm a date rapist and a misogynist...real classy Tom - 14/06/2011 02:11:40 PM 897 Views
I neither called you a date rapist nor a misogynist Helene - 14/06/2011 03:10:46 PM 942 Views
Why misogynist? Why not Anti-American? Dan - 14/06/2011 01:32:17 AM 1463 Views
So, which women are better than American women? Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:38:38 AM 1123 Views
Re: Haha Gaps - 14/06/2011 04:18:46 AM 1001 Views
You seem very intent on coming off as the smartest guy in the room. Dan - 14/06/2011 04:40:26 AM 1138 Views
I think that's an unfair characterization of the RP board Isaac - 14/06/2011 04:58:29 AM 995 Views
Ha! I'm just fucking around. Dan - 14/06/2011 05:14:20 AM 1030 Views
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Who are you, again? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:07:04 AM 860 Views
Tsk. I need to be more memorable. Dan - 14/06/2011 05:16:33 AM 1174 Views
Well, try to be more openminded. Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:22:52 AM 1070 Views
Fair enough. I do quite like Gaps. Dan - 14/06/2011 05:31:05 AM 1073 Views
Why all this vitriol? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:18:16 AM 1031 Views
Book clubs? Bullshit! women shouldn't be reading at all!!! everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:28:41 AM 1053 Views
Re: Oh wow, nice. Gaps - 14/06/2011 12:25:53 PM 858 Views
Perhaps one day I'll get a Chinese husband. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 04:41:59 AM 1148 Views
Er, see my post withe country names in it. I hate this messageboard layout. *NM* *NM* Dan - 14/06/2011 04:50:31 AM 492 Views
Spain, Norway, Japan? Dan - 14/06/2011 04:38:43 AM 1101 Views
Norway is the only one that passes. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 01:14:54 PM 951 Views
I really like the Netherlands Helene - 14/06/2011 01:29:08 PM 1021 Views
Re: I really like the Netherlands Camilla - 14/06/2011 04:51:11 PM 915 Views
Why did I pick that one? Because you completely ignore men's part in a culture that sexually Helene - 14/06/2011 07:54:39 AM 1102 Views
Helene, you're also not an American woman. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 01:03:23 PM 1116 Views
It's the people who make sweeping generalisations about American women who need to defend themselves Helene - 14/06/2011 01:18:43 PM 949 Views
You're not American either. *NM* Tom - 14/06/2011 02:26:34 PM 364 Views
I didn't ignore it at all. I just bracketed it. It's quite possible, you know. Dan - 14/06/2011 08:49:03 PM 1094 Views
You have strange expectations and ideas of me. *NM* Helene - 14/06/2011 08:52:09 PM 448 Views
Likewise. BFF? *NM* Dan - 14/06/2011 09:08:53 PM 413 Views
I don't exactly expect to influence your opinion, just to voice my own. Helene - 13/06/2011 10:40:39 PM 962 Views
The last part summed it up nicely. That was all I thought you meant anyway. Tashmere - 14/06/2011 03:17:45 AM 969 Views
Nice! /me high Fives Helene!! *NM* StarrBecca - 14/06/2011 02:32:27 AM 385 Views
Oh, but I can do any and all of these things! Novo - 14/06/2011 12:06:41 AM 1093 Views
I said there were exceptions. Tom - 14/06/2011 03:50:27 AM 950 Views
True. Novo - 14/06/2011 09:03:46 PM 923 Views
hey! I really like your poem "name" - syllables knowing other lovers - excellent. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:49:06 AM 892 Views
Thanks! *NM* Novo - 15/06/2011 09:44:18 PM 513 Views
I agree. Aeryn - 13/06/2011 01:23:51 PM 1052 Views
Obviously inside the bedroom. Helene - 13/06/2011 05:17:31 PM 1150 Views
Inside the bedroom? Sure. I could agree. But you're not American anyway. Tom - 13/06/2011 08:52:42 PM 1015 Views
You're basically just saying that American attitudes toward sex results in repressed women Helene - 13/06/2011 09:03:47 PM 1089 Views
Theoretically they can be "unrepressed". But why waste the time and effort? Tom - 13/06/2011 10:06:52 PM 1141 Views
How can you tell it's because she cares, instead of because that's what's traditionally expected Helene - 13/06/2011 10:48:12 PM 1073 Views
That's a good point! *NM* Vivien - 15/06/2011 04:49:11 AM 494 Views
The answer is that it doesn't matter. Vivien - 16/06/2011 05:35:47 PM 1138 Views
I agree that the answer doesn't matter Helene - 16/06/2011 07:09:44 PM 823 Views
It's funny nossy - 13/06/2011 02:51:03 PM 1207 Views
Well of course you can't see the faults of American women. You're American. Tom - 13/06/2011 08:51:35 PM 1104 Views
I'm sure that American women, along with all other women on earth Helene - 13/06/2011 09:00:33 PM 1128 Views
It's not my job to make a girl comfortable about her sexuality. Tom - 13/06/2011 10:03:27 PM 1023 Views
THIS *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 10:09:14 PM 478 Views
If the sex is all there is, then yes, makes sense. Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:18:15 PM 1109 Views
Who willingly goes into a relationship knowing the sex will be bad? Tom - 14/06/2011 03:52:43 AM 1032 Views
You and your friends? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:46:53 AM 1000 Views
And you don't think that the men in these relationships contributed to the current situation at all? Helene - 14/06/2011 07:59:15 AM 823 Views
In this particular aspect, absolutely not. Tom - 14/06/2011 02:19:33 PM 1003 Views
Of course I consider that you might be right Helene - 14/06/2011 03:59:50 PM 1118 Views
I'm not ignoring any complexities Tom - 14/06/2011 05:00:04 PM 1068 Views
^ And this response immediately above is my last. This is eating into a real workday now. ^ Tom - 14/06/2011 05:53:43 PM 1008 Views
Loads of people, if that's compensated by other things? Legolas - 14/06/2011 08:38:45 PM 1174 Views
I would rather be in a good marriage with bad sex than the other way around *NM* random thoughts - 14/06/2011 10:33:27 PM 576 Views
I suspect that you are in a good marriage with good sex. Tashmere - 16/06/2011 01:55:29 AM 1092 Views
Of course it is your job as a sex partner to make your partner feel comfortable about being with you Helene - 13/06/2011 10:50:52 PM 950 Views
THIS. *NM* globug0822 - 13/06/2011 11:49:28 PM 454 Views
I was going to say the same. nossy - 14/06/2011 12:11:18 AM 1135 Views
Like fucking Hell it is. Tom - 14/06/2011 12:18:02 AM 903 Views
You're totally cracking me up in here. nossy - 14/06/2011 12:30:39 AM 1041 Views
You think you're offending me? Tom - 14/06/2011 01:10:56 AM 1045 Views
No. nossy - 14/06/2011 08:01:45 PM 1075 Views
Have you ever been accused of date rape? Helene - 14/06/2011 12:46:30 AM 856 Views
No. And that's an absurd question. Tom - 14/06/2011 01:08:13 AM 943 Views
No, the point you were arguing was absurd. I just pointed out what you were arguing. Helene - 14/06/2011 08:03:13 AM 1115 Views
Let's cut the sophistry Tom - 14/06/2011 02:24:52 PM 1101 Views
What's the definition of prude anyway? Vivien - 14/06/2011 03:58:03 PM 973 Views
If that's what you wanted to say, it would have helped for you to be more explicit. Helene - 14/06/2011 04:10:43 PM 1042 Views
"Why do these women use sex as a manipulative tool?" Tom - 14/06/2011 05:06:33 PM 1079 Views
It seems to me there is a very simple answer to that question. Sareitha Sedai - 14/06/2011 05:26:09 PM 993 Views
I don't think it works at all. Tom - 14/06/2011 05:48:48 PM 946 Views
Your anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. Sareitha Sedai - 14/06/2011 06:31:28 PM 1216 Views
I don't think so. Tashmere - 15/06/2011 03:50:25 AM 972 Views
I agree with every single thing you just said. *NM* Tom - 15/06/2011 05:03:05 AM 384 Views
Oddly enough, I do too Sareitha Sedai - 15/06/2011 02:00:39 PM 1065 Views
I agree with Sareitha. Women do that because it (apears to) works for them, in the short term Helene - 14/06/2011 08:28:11 PM 912 Views
I can't see that I would put up with that either random thoughts - 14/06/2011 10:32:09 PM 1002 Views
Right nossy - 14/06/2011 10:59:10 PM 990 Views
mode was a typeo but I guess it still works random thoughts - 14/06/2011 11:23:11 PM 1092 Views
I haven't tried it either. Seems to me like that is closely related to The Silent Treatment. Tashmere - 15/06/2011 03:43:45 AM 1100 Views
A fairly self-aware American. With many female friends, even nossy - 13/06/2011 11:59:34 PM 1083 Views
Yeah I don't buy that "most American girls are prudes" concept random thoughts - 14/06/2011 04:10:37 PM 711 Views
I think most of it depends on the "type" of girl a guy goes for. nossy - 14/06/2011 11:09:34 PM 1021 Views
some times there is a fine line between kinky and perverted sometimes there isn't random thoughts - 14/06/2011 11:32:17 PM 1125 Views
A moment Camilla - 14/06/2011 05:01:05 PM 947 Views
Camilla, I'm trying to keep this at arm's length a bit. Tom - 14/06/2011 05:42:18 PM 949 Views
But you started it. nossy - 14/06/2011 08:43:47 PM 1048 Views
I did start it, yes. Tom - 16/06/2011 03:32:54 PM 985 Views
You should have quit before this. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 03:46:01 PM 1066 Views
No, I shouldn't have. Tom - 16/06/2011 04:03:21 PM 1012 Views
The problem with your list is that it's performance-oriented. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 10:45:22 PM 961 Views
Of course it's performance-oriented. Tom - 16/06/2011 10:54:22 PM 910 Views
This really made me laugh Sareitha Sedai - 16/06/2011 04:26:32 PM 984 Views
Re: I did start it, yes. Camilla - 16/06/2011 03:46:06 PM 884 Views
Yes, we do! Tom - 16/06/2011 04:04:02 PM 1082 Views
Having now looked over the smileys Camilla - 16/06/2011 04:09:55 PM 1054 Views
See what I'm talking about? Tom - 16/06/2011 07:09:10 PM 974 Views
That may have been the worst pun ever! *NM* Tashmere - 17/06/2011 12:47:50 AM 492 Views
I try *NM* Camilla - 17/06/2011 09:57:32 AM 480 Views
Take is up the ass or you are a prude? random thoughts - 16/06/2011 04:09:54 PM 1194 Views
Maybe Tom will make allowances for preferences instead of an unwillingness because it's "wrong"? *NM* Helene - 16/06/2011 04:22:45 PM 466 Views
You didn't read the list very well. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:08:19 PM 1018 Views
It appears I didn't read it very well. I apologize for that random thoughts - 16/06/2011 10:16:02 PM 968 Views
No problems. Tom - 16/06/2011 10:57:46 PM 907 Views
Re: The idea that If it hurts it's not being done right - Not neccessarily. Tashmere - 17/06/2011 01:13:18 AM 1012 Views
It just requires more preparation. Tom - 17/06/2011 04:49:52 AM 1375 Views
I have to say, I actually find this list reasonable. Sareitha Sedai - 16/06/2011 04:35:40 PM 989 Views
I agree nossy - 16/06/2011 05:10:07 PM 906 Views
Exactly! It's the "nexus of activity" sort of idea. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:18:33 PM 877 Views
If I weren't such a prude (3), I would post this list to facebook. nossy - 16/06/2011 05:08:05 PM 1075 Views
In other words, you aren't a prude on that scale. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:20:35 PM 883 Views
Eh nossy - 16/06/2011 08:17:31 PM 1083 Views
You mixed up prudishness and sexual compatibility with you Helene - 16/06/2011 05:21:31 PM 1098 Views
This. *NM* Camilla - 16/06/2011 06:18:41 PM 523 Views
No I didn't. Tom - 16/06/2011 07:14:27 PM 993 Views
Calling my response a knee jerk reaction is just silly, and in itself, a knee jerk response. Helene - 16/06/2011 07:38:28 PM 1201 Views
Okay. I'm going to just stop replying. Tom - 16/06/2011 08:28:02 PM 797 Views
Your world view is just too self referential to be Helene - 16/06/2011 08:36:39 PM 1017 Views
As is yours. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2011 08:44:10 PM 370 Views
That makes no sense. You have the narrower view. *NM* Helene - 16/06/2011 09:07:37 PM 485 Views
So you say. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2011 09:09:21 PM 471 Views
Question ßelals Girl - 16/06/2011 07:42:37 PM 996 Views
Ha Ha, who cares about the guy? It is only female sexuality that is on trial. Vivien - 16/06/2011 08:06:33 PM 925 Views
That is an incorrect assumption. Tom - 16/06/2011 08:30:08 PM 964 Views
Awww you didn't take my bait! Vivien - 16/06/2011 08:44:16 PM 881 Views
There's very little I haven't been willing to do Tom - 16/06/2011 08:52:31 PM 998 Views
Hehehe, But *I* recall it! Vivien - 16/06/2011 09:22:40 PM 1028 Views
Wait, I think I know what you're talking about. Tom - 16/06/2011 09:27:20 PM 990 Views
Damn, I was going to guess "in a coffin". Sareitha Sedai - 16/06/2011 09:31:36 PM 1192 Views
She's significantly younger than O'Donnell, and was better looking. Tom - 16/06/2011 09:33:51 PM 1006 Views
Seriously? Vivien - 16/06/2011 09:50:20 PM 1012 Views
The girl was never a girlfriend or a sexual partner. Tom - 16/06/2011 11:06:38 PM 999 Views
I'm reminded of an ex of mine Helene - 16/06/2011 08:32:34 PM 807 Views
That's really awful. Vivien - 16/06/2011 09:16:33 PM 1088 Views
When you're with a person who appreciates you, it's not like that at all Helene - 16/06/2011 09:29:32 PM 780 Views
Of course. Tom - 16/06/2011 08:29:11 PM 842 Views
Fair enough *NM* ßelals Girl - 17/06/2011 07:20:38 PM 479 Views
THIS!! LISTEN!! the woman is * lightbulb* speaking from a woman's perspective. StarrBecca - 14/06/2011 02:52:26 AM 1102 Views
Your way out of line Urza - 14/06/2011 02:55:46 AM 884 Views
Wondering why we're still single, are we? Try a minimum of politeness first. Tom - 14/06/2011 03:21:15 AM 845 Views
Where did I insinuate you can't please women? *NM* Helene - 14/06/2011 08:05:14 AM 358 Views
I refer you to "So you don't know how to open a woman up sexually" *NM* Tom - 14/06/2011 02:09:40 PM 409 Views
That's not about pleasing, that's about making someone feel confident and safe Helene - 14/06/2011 04:13:24 PM 1046 Views
What B/c i sank you YOUR level? Piss Off. AS if I give 2 shits what you think about me. StarrBecca - 16/06/2011 02:19:04 AM 1189 Views
Becca, can you pinpoint the moment you became a bitter worndown shell of a woman? *NM* Urza - 16/06/2011 03:21:21 AM 480 Views
I read this. Ectheledhel - 16/06/2011 03:40:51 AM 1078 Views
The name-calling is uncalled for, Rebecca ironclad - 16/06/2011 11:10:04 AM 1038 Views
Given the vehemence of your response, you do care. Tom - 16/06/2011 03:19:42 PM 1077 Views
I appreciate the support, nossy - 14/06/2011 10:37:20 PM 1043 Views
Your journal entry is revealing. You sound bitter and hurt. I hope you find the healing you need. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:40:23 AM 1056 Views
You know what? not called for. *NM* Aeryn - 15/06/2011 02:05:14 PM 348 Views
Why not? everynametaken - 15/06/2011 11:59:36 PM 960 Views
The first portion of what you said, isn't yours to say. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 03:43:57 PM 775 Views
I'm with Anastasia on this. Legolas - 16/06/2011 06:39:56 PM 1111 Views
Re: It's funny Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:50:13 AM 1073 Views
Re: It's funny nossy - 14/06/2011 10:28:32 PM 1139 Views
On a completely unrelated note ironclad - 14/06/2011 11:03:58 PM 989 Views
Re: On a completely unrelated note TaskmasterJack - 14/06/2011 11:14:18 PM 1024 Views
Bummer *NM* ironclad - 14/06/2011 11:20:24 PM 472 Views
TMJ is right. Aeryn - 15/06/2011 02:11:57 PM 1055 Views
Re: TMJ is right. TaskmasterJack - 16/06/2011 12:22:10 AM 1120 Views
Yes. Aeryn - 16/06/2011 03:41:05 PM 930 Views
Re: Yes. TaskmasterJack - 17/06/2011 01:51:11 AM 869 Views
Gee thanks. Aeryn - 17/06/2011 05:04:37 AM 1310 Views
Didn't suit you. TaskmasterJack - 18/06/2011 12:58:53 AM 1069 Views
On a totally unrelated note... everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:43:23 AM 1006 Views
Excuse me while I go hit something. A journalism major perhaps. *NM* Urza - 12/06/2011 09:09:26 PM 478 Views
Stunning rebuttal!!! *NM* everynametaken - 12/06/2011 10:07:39 PM 351 Views
Theres nothing there I really need to refute.... Urza - 13/06/2011 01:20:43 AM 940 Views
Well, thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion. *NM* everynametaken - 13/06/2011 04:41:56 AM 364 Views
Is there a reason you feel the need to jump up my ass? *NM* Urza - 13/06/2011 05:16:53 AM 519 Views
Your winning personality? Camilla - 13/06/2011 03:45:09 PM 1029 Views
I'd say 'endearing' is the proper term. Novo - 13/06/2011 10:43:01 PM 958 Views
Nice name new. everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:44:25 AM 981 Views
Wow. Interesting. *NM* globug0822 - 13/06/2011 07:04:08 AM 443 Views
Giving up porn (a male perspective) Postsecret - 13/06/2011 04:29:52 PM 1079 Views
Thanks for sharing. ^_^ *NM* globug0822 - 13/06/2011 09:05:51 PM 505 Views
of course looking at tons of porn all the time is going to affect men random thoughts - 13/06/2011 11:15:02 PM 1152 Views
You make a lot of sense, thanks for posting and adding your perspective. *NM* Helene - 14/06/2011 12:11:03 AM 349 Views
Re: It's a sexy topic, but all these generalizations are becoming wet blankets. Gaps - 14/06/2011 02:13:31 AM 1070 Views
I think this and the replies by Post Secret and random thoughts all kind of get at my ideas here. Sareitha Sedai - 14/06/2011 02:30:52 PM 1083 Views
There is way too much crap in this thread, but I give this reply my seal of approval. *NM* Nate - 14/06/2011 05:02:04 PM 506 Views
I think you are spot on with the seal theory. Camilla - 14/06/2011 05:16:59 PM 1120 Views
Dirty motherfuckers! We need to lift all bans on whaling immediately to stem this momentum! *NM* everynametaken - 15/06/2011 01:56:30 AM 490 Views
[something less snarky] nossy - 14/06/2011 10:17:18 PM 1150 Views
Re: What? Gaps - 15/06/2011 12:01:36 AM 1111 Views
Re: What? nossy - 15/06/2011 12:20:56 AM 1067 Views
Re: How come your 1st edit is not at all what was originally posted? Gaps - 15/06/2011 03:06:02 AM 1107 Views
About time to reevaluate Tom's claims, I think, eh? *NM* Dan - 15/06/2011 03:59:31 AM 483 Views
my turn: what? nossy - 15/06/2011 04:12:51 AM 1129 Views
Wow, well speaking as a prude... Isaac - 14/06/2011 03:36:23 AM 1098 Views
Funny how so many fault lines rupture in the comments to posts like this Larry - 14/06/2011 04:23:23 AM 1187 Views
To quote Cat Valente: Aeryn - 14/06/2011 04:37:39 AM 908 Views
It is a two-way street, unfortunately Larry - 14/06/2011 04:40:58 AM 1026 Views
so the problem is southern women are just not good enough for you? random thoughts - 14/06/2011 01:51:30 PM 1014 Views
No, more like not similar enough Larry - 14/06/2011 04:13:52 PM 1036 Views
Some people aren't cut out to be in a relationship Helene - 14/06/2011 04:25:09 PM 1055 Views
True Larry - 14/06/2011 04:56:05 PM 878 Views
As someone who has never lived under the same roof more than five consecutive years random thoughts - 14/06/2011 06:06:10 PM 1128 Views
Job. Always a job matter. Larry - 14/06/2011 11:22:33 PM 1172 Views
Try south Texas, you may not notice you are not in South America random thoughts - 15/06/2011 02:44:21 AM 971 Views
Ha! I used to live in the metro Miami area, so I know what you mean Larry - 15/06/2011 03:20:41 AM 1022 Views
sweet jesus you are crazy random thoughts - 15/06/2011 04:38:28 AM 869 Views
Maybe, but it certainly drains me of being involved much elsewhere Larry - 15/06/2011 05:29:21 AM 1099 Views
Why all this vitriol? Vivien - 14/06/2011 05:19:47 AM 997 Views
It started there here: Aeryn - 14/06/2011 01:06:32 PM 1065 Views
Tom made an untenable comment Helene - 14/06/2011 01:21:06 PM 975 Views
Interestingly, the article talked about men being prudish in their real lives. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:27:00 PM 1062 Views
I figure this may be true, but I can't speak from a lot of experience. Helene - 14/06/2011 04:23:08 PM 919 Views
I was writing a lengthy reply to disagree, but then I ended up rather close to where you stand. Legolas - 14/06/2011 09:17:55 PM 1013 Views
I think men do worry if their wife is to focused on sex random thoughts - 14/06/2011 10:26:56 PM 1108 Views
Re: I think men do worry if their wife is to focused on sex Macharius - 15/06/2011 02:26:30 PM 952 Views
Book clubs are scary places Camilla - 14/06/2011 05:03:03 PM 793 Views
Chocolate, wine, books. Also tea? Novo - 14/06/2011 09:00:06 PM 1102 Views
Maybe without the wine? Vivien - 15/06/2011 05:06:53 AM 983 Views
I don't feel particularly vitriolic. nossy - 14/06/2011 10:18:44 PM 997 Views
I didn't mean you... Vivien - 15/06/2011 05:24:56 AM 998 Views
We haven't had one of these in a while! ßelals Girl - 14/06/2011 06:36:18 AM 1048 Views
Agreed. I laughed, I cried, it was touching. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/06/2011 08:49:40 AM 355 Views
Yes, it takes a good flame war to get the engines firing on all cylinders. Stephen - 14/06/2011 02:00:20 PM 917 Views
This post got more abused than a nasty Japanese bukkake! Lol. *NM* everynametaken - 15/06/2011 10:07:04 AM 542 Views
I started to read this but got bored and looked at porn. Tigr - 14/06/2011 03:15:28 PM 1052 Views
Re: I started to read this but got bored and looked at porn. Aeryn - 14/06/2011 03:27:51 PM 1136 Views
Oh yeah. Tigr - 14/06/2011 03:31:42 PM 1101 Views
nossy - 14/06/2011 08:48:55 PM 1083 Views
I think I've read pretty much all of it. I think it's better than porn. Well, bad porn. TaskmasterJack - 14/06/2011 11:01:20 PM 1056 Views
that was funny *NM* random thoughts - 15/06/2011 02:42:13 AM 360 Views
Bad porn is the worst! Tigr - 15/06/2011 02:13:59 PM 913 Views
You know what Tom, it occurs to me that this is very American thinking. Vivien - 15/06/2011 03:07:00 AM 988 Views
Actually, my Russian guy friends tend to be more vehement than I am on this point. Tom - 15/06/2011 05:12:51 AM 1315 Views
Huh, could it be because most Russians are atheist? Vivien - 15/06/2011 05:36:47 AM 1100 Views
That could be a major part of it Tom - 16/06/2011 09:06:21 PM 945 Views
Well, there's no question that a prior consultation with me could strengthen any argument. *NM* Vivien - 16/06/2011 10:36:12 PM 437 Views
Ah, you've seen EuroTrip, too. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 17/06/2011 01:52:27 AM 472 Views
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