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*NM* Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM
I'll save you most of the jargon, but in short, the section of our constitution that forbade practicing homosexuals from being Ordained to Ministry of Word and Sacrament has been lifted. It doesn't force churches to ordain homosexuals, but it allows them to do so.

This is one of those things that I was never quite sure would happen in my lifetime. I am extremely proud of my denomination right now. It won't be easy, and a lot of folks are likely to leave. But better folks leaving by choice then being forced out by polity, in my opinion.
If you are from Betelgeuse, please have one of your Earth friends read what I've written before you respond. Or try concentrating harder.

"The trophy problem has become extreme."
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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. Dannymac - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1589 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 405 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 429 Views
Homosexuals must die! Dark Knight - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1242 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! LadyLorraine - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 896 Views
Yay!!. Amys - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 1170 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 483 Views
Well done. *NM* Camilla - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 433 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? Joel - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 1149 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 1127 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? Tom - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 987 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 934 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 970 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 915 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 993 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1155 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. Tom - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 991 Views
Wow. Joel - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 1013 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). Joel - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 1045 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. Tom - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 927 Views
Agreed. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 1009 Views
There's ample precedent for female religious leaders, even within the bible. Joel - 12/05/2011 06:51:05 AM 1090 Views
Since when is Moses' society the be-all end all? Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 950 Views
Since never, which is why I referenced five other eras you completely ignored. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:11:30 AM 1054 Views
They did so, via negativa. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 1129 Views
Sorry for the delay, particularly since it looks like I'll be spending a fair amount of time here. Joel - 14/05/2011 12:31:33 AM 928 Views
Your church has a constitution?! Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 982 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 473 Views
Haha no way! *NM* Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 433 Views
Well, we have one group of laity and one of bishops, so it is only mildy utter chaos. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:51:09 AM 473 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 1101 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 930 Views
It is pretty common practice random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 970 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 1025 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. Tom - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1162 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 978 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. Tom - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 1116 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 1030 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 997 Views
There are cases in which hypocrisy is far better than the alternatives. Legolas - 12/05/2011 10:04:32 PM 1086 Views
Hypocrisy is better than, say, setting gays on fire, yes. Tom - 12/05/2011 10:10:40 PM 1055 Views
My statement is that, from a pragmatic point of view, hypocrisy shouldn't be discouraged too much. Legolas - 13/05/2011 10:05:39 PM 1078 Views
I strongly and vehemently disagree with your position. Tom - 13/05/2011 10:21:10 PM 926 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 1014 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Jacob - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 979 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. Tom - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 914 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... Legolas - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 1104 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 1048 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong Tom - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 1133 Views
The Bible says what it says. The problem... people like to tell us just what else it's saying. Jacob - 13/05/2011 05:31:29 PM 970 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 462 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 1112 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 972 Views
Read Judges. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 974 Views
You don't reconcile... you pick the parts you like and adjust the rest to suit you. TaskmasterJack - 13/05/2011 09:33:54 PM 889 Views
And you add in some New Age music and a little ankh as well *NM* Tom - 14/05/2011 02:35:27 AM 460 Views
Another example... Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 893 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 965 Views
I rest my case *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 424 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 957 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. Tom - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 894 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 949 Views
We both know that isn't the case Tom - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 1059 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 908 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... Jacob - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 1038 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology Tom - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 1015 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 1013 Views
No Protestant denomination has added so much as a word to the Bible Tom - 12/05/2011 05:58:16 PM 920 Views
So, everyone hates Judith, then? beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 06:40:11 PM 990 Views
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches accept Judith as part of Scripture. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:51:27 PM 917 Views
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church also segregate deuterocanonical works like Roman Catholicism does? Joel - 14/05/2011 02:19:03 AM 1242 Views
The Eastern Church bases everything on the Septuagint. Tom - 14/05/2011 02:34:41 AM 970 Views
That sounds appealing, and makes sense. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:44:56 AM 984 Views
Oh, I just enjoy calling Protestants "heretics" to remind them not everyone agrees with them. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:42 AM 924 Views
Oh, but they know that; in many cases, they exult in it. Joel - 14/05/2011 06:06:01 AM 928 Views
Re: Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels Isaac - 12/05/2011 08:52:48 PM 965 Views
The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM 1104 Views
I find this really weird, to be honest beetnemesis - 13/05/2011 05:48:28 AM 998 Views
Well, it wasn't just Athanasius. But yes, we are lucky in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2011 06:32:48 AM 403 Views
Athanasius's list reflected the victory of Pauline Christianity Tom - 13/05/2011 02:52:53 PM 936 Views
There's a school of thought that says that's a strong vindication of Athanasius. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:37:49 AM 873 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 929 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Dannymac - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1355 Views
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