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I can't believe this thread is still going... Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM
I'd prefer to save the electoral college for another day, I'm not a huge fan of it either I just know I'm not a hypocrite on the issue because a few days before the election I had a discussion with a friend over a poll showing Bush up a hair and Gore more likely to get the electoral college, and I said I hoped Bush won but the fair rules are the current rules, because that's what they're competing for and they spend their time and money accordingly. I don't know if Bush would have won or lost if it had been popular vote going in, but I'm 100% positive the final tally and the various precincts around the country would have looked different if they had gone in that way. Just like maybe a field goal should be worth 2 or 4 points instead of 3, 5 field goals vs 2 touchdowns 15-14 may not really prove Team A was better, but they probably wouldn't have kicked five times if they were only worth 2 points a piece, and we'd see a lot less 4th down attempts to get a first down if they were worth 4 instead.

Point was that that legislation involves a much larger real change, has been going on far longer, and is just as partisan, more partisan even, then what happened in AZ, there aren't hoardes of democrats rolling their eyes or sneering at that, no Dem governor vetoing it, and none of the right-wingers here posted on it, there's still people ranting about the 'stolen election' and prominent Dems don't come out and point out how thin that evidence is. Personally I doubt you'd be willing to say Bush won the election fair and square, and that fringe liberals should stop talking about it, and that you won't see the parallels with this case.
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WTF arizona? - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 1938 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 861 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 762 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 946 Views
that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 874 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 736 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 906 Views
I think everyone's too little - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 899 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 821 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 814 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 762 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 700 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 782 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 868 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 810 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 786 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 893 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 963 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 914 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 869 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 832 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 739 Views
Why is it racist? - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 762 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 844 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 868 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 823 Views
OK I will try to be clearer - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 817 Views
Why should he show it? - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 771 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 890 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 802 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 432 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 398 Views
Actually - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 870 Views
This - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 722 Views
He already has - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 842 Views
Don't we already do this? - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 812 Views
actually there isn't - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 878 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 853 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 416 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 817 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 960 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 894 Views
Meh, who cares? - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 845 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 387 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 416 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 422 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 388 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 799 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 784 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 393 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 412 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 772 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 843 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 829 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 859 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 745 Views
That wasn't the point - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 787 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 982 Views
read above, he has. *NM* - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 393 Views
Provided a birth certificate? - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1175 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 870 Views
No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 912 Views
Re: No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 889 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 919 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 859 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 952 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1056 Views
I think it is for some people. - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 745 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 785 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 428 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 375 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 997 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 879 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 340 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 387 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 353 Views

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