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I don't necessarily think it will end in a breakup or divorce. Clover Send a noteboard - 19/04/2011 04:44:11 PM
That doesn't mean I think it's good, either - just that many couples become resigned to this kind of thing.

To me a successful relationship/marriage is about valuing the other person's happiness as much as your own. This entails doing things like holiday dinners (and never speaking condescendingly about them in public!). You also want to have a good (or at least respectful) relationship with your partner's family if they are remotely important to him/her.

I don't like the idea of lowered expectations. I saw a study recently which found that couples with an idealized view of each other on their wedding day tend to be happier five years into the marriage than those with a more cynical perspective. Your partner should be someone you enjoy more and treat better than the rest of the world - not necessarily 100% of the time, but as a general rule.

So my view is that a relationship is not "better" just because you regularly get by with acting how you'd want to act if you were single.

Of course I am engaged too and haven't been with the guy all that long (dated 15 months, friends for ten years), so maybe I have a naive view of things. We'll be flying across the country soon to spend the spring holiday in our hometown... my family lives there too, but I'll be staying with his because my relationship with my family is so complicated. To be honest, I really don't want to go, I don't want to see them (my family) right now, and I wish that his first vacation in a year were to somewhere like Hawaii instead. But it's important to him, so I'll shut up and go.


This message last edited by Clover on 19/04/2011 at 04:45:16 PM
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What he said about his wife's mother - 19/04/2011 02:59:32 PM 1034 Views
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For now I have *NM* - 19/04/2011 03:08:17 PM 468 Views
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I should have read this first. - 19/04/2011 02:25:16 PM 982 Views
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The fact that you are referring to a fiancé and comparing it to wife says a lot - 19/04/2011 02:09:27 PM 1041 Views
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My husband and I don't understand why people say this. - 20/04/2011 01:03:31 AM 995 Views
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I know. - 20/04/2011 09:01:11 PM 1156 Views
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From the information that you have presented... - 19/04/2011 03:50:19 PM 1111 Views
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