I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be
MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM
It does seem clear to me that the president doesn't want something to be seen on his birth certificate otherwise what reason would he have for not showing it? It baffles me why he has gone as far as to fight in the courts to keep it private.
Perhaps he doesn't want people to see something on it but why do you have the right to see it? It is a standard, official form, what could be on it that the public's interest are served by seeing that isn't on the short version he has provided?
It is one of the many things that baffles me about this whole fuss - that no one claiming he has something on it that he doesn't want them to see hasn't been able to say what it is that they have a right to know about him and is on that birth certificate.
I think for the average person who is not a supporter of Obama, it feels as if the President is hiding something from them. And I think that's disrespectful. People don't have a RIGHT to see our presidential candidates' tax returns, but they show them anyway to alleviate any suspicion of foul play.
I'm not even saying that I would care if Obama were a Muslim or something weird were on his birth certificate, but I think he's being really stupid to not show it, IF he has nothing to hide. If it says something about him being a Muslim (not even sure how that would happen) or something or other that's negative, and he's afraid he'll lose votes bc of that, then he's a real bull shitter since he ran on this platform of optimism and social progress.
It's just natural human curiosity, coupled with the fact that non-Obama supporters feel suspicious because they don't really like Obama. If a friend is hiding something from you, you'll usually let it go. An enemy? Or someone you dislike? I can understand fully why people are concerned and curious.
I think only an ardent Obama supporter could disagree.
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WTF arizona?
- 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM
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I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway?
- 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM
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Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well.
- 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM
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It is a bit of an oversight not to have that
- 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM
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that's because they're morons.
- 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM
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Re: that's because they're morons.
- 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM
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I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little
- 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM
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it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with
- 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM
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Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited
- 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM
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if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument....
- 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM
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I believe I gave you state examples already
- 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM
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I call shenanigans on Seel
- 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM
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really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar
- 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM
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The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate
- 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM
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Yes he has. Don't act like a fool.
- 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM
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sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool
- 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM
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It's clear that he was born in the US.
- 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM
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Care to point out where you believe I was defending them?
- 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM
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You say that Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate, when he has.
- 15/04/2011 07:47:54 PM
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What exactly is the difference between certificates?
- 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM
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One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested.
- 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM
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Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said.
- 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM
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Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well?
- 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM
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thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM*
- 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM
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thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM*
- 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM
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I wish the birthers would stop waste everyone's time and focus on actual policies of Obama's.
- 15/04/2011 04:59:01 PM
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Actually
- 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM
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He already has
- 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM
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I'm not referring to Obama. Just anyone who wants to be anyone in the future. *NM*
- 16/04/2011 02:01:25 PM
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Don't we already do this?
- 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM
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He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed.
- 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM
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Re: I actually find the whole thing hilarious, and I hope it continues.
- 16/04/2011 01:33:34 AM
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What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM*
- 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM
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problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM*
- 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM
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Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM*
- 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM
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As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President.
- 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM
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Did you mean to reply to me or to the main post? *NM*
- 16/04/2011 03:44:38 PM
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You. Well, the trzaska subthread in general. Although it applies to the overall topic equally. *NM*
- 16/04/2011 03:53:38 PM
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Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should.
- 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM
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Supposedly the FEC only has jurisdiction over matters of campaign finance. *NM*
- 17/04/2011 03:24:39 AM
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as per you pulled that out of your ass
- 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM
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Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass.
- 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM
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not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications
- 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM
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To make things even more fun in this thread...
- 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM
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I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this?
- 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM
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read above, he has. *NM*
- 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM
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Provided a birth certificate?
- 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM
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Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient?
- 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM
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because it's easier to push a non-issue than it is to work on something constructive i guess....
- 19/04/2011 04:27:31 AM
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No, actually
- 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM
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Since when is religion hereditary?
- 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM
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Re: Since when is religion hereditary?
- 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM
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Re: Since when is religion hereditary?
- 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM
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I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be
- 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM
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how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth?
- 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM
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with how many has it been in doubt? *NM*
- 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM
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why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM*
- 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM
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people always find some reason to doubt the legitimacy of a president they don't like
- 19/04/2011 09:01:33 PM
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Brewer vetoes the bill!
- 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM
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yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was!
- 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM
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yes she is, don't let her fool you 
*NM*
- 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM
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*NM*
- 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM
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i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before 
*NM*
- 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM
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*NM*
- 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM
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