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it's moot at this point, but.... moondog Send a noteboard - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM
this is a state legislature passing a reasonable law because there are a lot of obvious reason to pass it. This is so not the big deal you're making it out to be, and you're just coming off hyperpartisan and opportunistic now. What is the big deal? The law harms no one, it makes a fair amount of sense, and it has no fundamental functional change around like the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that's been signed by strictly blue states for strictly liberal base appeasement purposes.


yes, the bill is not as bad as written. i've already admitted that the letter of the law is not the problem. it's the fact that a fringe minority is getting their agenda pushed by the ones who actually write the laws. it reminds me more of the flag burning amendment that went around back in the 80s and 90s than many of the examples of your previous post. a method of protest which didn't really harm anyone and probably makes some level of sense to outlaw (to someone) doesn't need to be enshrined in the constitution. requiring papers to be provided for presidential (and other) candidates is directly an attempt to de-legitimize obama's presidency masked as some kind of common sense reaction to running for state and higher elected office.

and in response to the second part of your quote above, i find the electoral college to be a major obstacle to true democracy in this country actually. but bush v. gore proved that we have a severely flawed system for electing the president and i would support any method to reform what we have in order to maximize the effective vote for each person.

consider that if you live in a blue state and you vote red or vice versa, your vote is basically discarded when your candidate does not win. either doing away with the electoral college, or better yet, assigning an amount of electoral college votes to the candidates based on margin of victory (i.e. - 60% of vote gets 60% of electors) means that not only do voters get close to direct election of the president, but almost every state becomes a swing state except for the very smallest ones. it's about making the election of president a fair competition and not about how many more big states can one candidate win over another.
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WTF arizona? - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 1937 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 860 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 762 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 946 Views
that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 873 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 735 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 905 Views
I think everyone's too little - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 898 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 820 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 814 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 761 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 699 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 782 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 867 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 809 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 785 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 892 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 962 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 914 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 868 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 831 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 739 Views
Why is it racist? - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 761 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 843 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 867 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 823 Views
OK I will try to be clearer - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 816 Views
Why should he show it? - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 770 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 890 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 801 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 432 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 397 Views
Actually - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 869 Views
This - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 721 Views
He already has - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 841 Views
Don't we already do this? - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 812 Views
actually there isn't - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 877 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 852 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 416 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 816 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 960 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 893 Views
Meh, who cares? - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 844 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 386 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 415 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 421 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 387 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 799 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 783 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 392 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 412 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 771 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 842 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 829 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 859 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 744 Views
That wasn't the point - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 787 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 981 Views
read above, he has. *NM* - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 393 Views
Provided a birth certificate? - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1174 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 870 Views
No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 911 Views
Re: No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 889 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 919 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 859 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 952 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1055 Views
I think it is for some people. - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 744 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 785 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 428 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 374 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 996 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 879 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 339 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 387 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 352 Views

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