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Re: No, actually MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM
Or someone has admitted it's a valid concern?

If you're referring to the former then you're wrong. Obama has only ever produced a certification of live birth, which is not a birth certificate and significantly easier to obtain. In the state of hawaii these count for the same thing. however they are, strictly speaking, not the same. And this is so for a reason, I presume.

Again, not questioning it, I just think it's stupid not to put a rumor which is so easily quieted to rest.



Thanks for the link, but it didn't really help me understand why people consider a Certification of Live Birth insufficient proof. The link repeats many time that it is in fact a valid birth certificate.



It says very clearly that they are different, but allowed to count for the same thing in Hawaii. The reason for this is that Hawaii has privacy laws to keep the actual certificate of live birth private, for whatever reason. The actual birth certificate has more information, a signature and is more fundamental than the certification. This meaning that one cannot have a certification, presumably, without a certificate, hence why they count for the same, but strictly speaking, if you were being really suspicious, a certification is easier to doctor. On top of that, it might not contain the same information.

Honestly, I think Obama just doesn't want people to see what's on that certificate. It probably says he's a muslim, which really doesn't matter, imo. But he has fought in the courts to keep it private.
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WTF arizona? moondog - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 1940 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? Isaac - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 863 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. Legolas - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 765 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that Isaac - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 947 Views
that's because they're morons. LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 877 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. Isaac - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 737 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 908 Views
I think everyone's too little Isaac - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 901 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with moondog - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 824 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited Isaac - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 815 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... moondog - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 765 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already Isaac - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 701 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... moondog - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 784 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... Isaac - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 870 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel Stephen - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 811 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 789 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate random thoughts - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 895 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. Tom - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 965 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool random thoughts - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 917 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. Tom - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 871 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? random thoughts - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 834 Views
You say that Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate, when he has. Tom - 15/04/2011 07:47:54 PM 773 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool Skeeve the Great - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 741 Views
Why is it racist? random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 764 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 847 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 870 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. LadyLorraine - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 823 Views
OK I will try to be clearer random thoughts - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 818 Views
Why should he show it? everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 773 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 892 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? Tim - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 803 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 434 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 399 Views
I wish the birthers would stop waste everyone's time and focus on actual policies of Obama's. Tom - 15/04/2011 04:59:01 PM 916 Views
Actually nossy - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 874 Views
This LadyLorraine - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 725 Views
He already has Roland00 - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 846 Views
I'm not referring to Obama. Just anyone who wants to be anyone in the future. *NM* nossy - 16/04/2011 02:01:25 PM 379 Views
Don't we already do this? The_Muted_Grimaud - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 815 Views
actually there isn't random thoughts - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 883 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 855 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 418 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. everynametaken - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 820 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 963 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate Floffe - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 897 Views
Meh, who cares? ßelals Girl - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 852 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* Jessie - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 388 Views
Re: I actually find the whole thing hilarious, and I hope it continues. Gaps - 16/04/2011 01:33:34 AM 865 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 417 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* moondog - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 423 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* Tim - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 393 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. TaskmasterJack - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 802 Views
Did you mean to reply to me or to the main post? *NM* Tim - 16/04/2011 03:44:38 PM 405 Views
You. Well, the trzaska subthread in general. Although it applies to the overall topic equally. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/04/2011 03:53:38 PM 385 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 786 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 394 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 413 Views
Supposedly the FEC only has jurisdiction over matters of campaign finance. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 17/04/2011 03:24:39 AM 483 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 777 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. TaskmasterJack - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 845 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications random thoughts - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 830 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... Larry - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 863 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... moondog - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 746 Views
That wasn't the point Larry - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 790 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? MalkierKnight - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 984 Views
read above, he has. *NM* LadyLorraine - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 394 Views
Provided a birth certificate? MalkierKnight - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1183 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? Aeryn - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 873 Views
because it's easier to push a non-issue than it is to work on something constructive i guess.... moondog - 19/04/2011 04:27:31 AM 719 Views
No, actually MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 914 Views
Re: No, actually MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 892 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? Aeryn - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 921 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 861 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? snoopcester - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 953 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1059 Views
I think it is for some people. snoopcester - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 748 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? moondog - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 786 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* random thoughts - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 429 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* moondog - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 376 Views
people always find some reason to doubt the legitimacy of a president they don't like random thoughts - 19/04/2011 09:01:33 PM 955 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! Skeeve the Great - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 999 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! moondog - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 881 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* LadyLorraine - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 341 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* moondog - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 388 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* random thoughts - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 354 Views
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