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Erm, and you think total health care spending is not getting out of control? I'm a little confused. Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/04/2011 11:02:52 PM

As you can see, the projected grows in Medicaid and Medicare spending are in line with total health care spending. No jumps, no rapid changes. Will we see increase? Yes. Will we see increase in revenue? Yes. Will percentage of participants of both programs grow? Unsure. Remember that under these programs we are covering children, retired, poor and less fortunate as well. If we cut the programs, they poor will remain poor and less fortunate will remain less fortunate. The children won't be covered so that means more sick adults will eventually join the ranks of working force. Since we are cutting (under GOP proposals) environmental regulations, working conditions regulations, etc, it's likely that we'll get more sick and injured people as well. So yes, if we do this, the percentage of both programs participants may grow substantially and we will face the crisis.

Yes, your health care spending as a whole is spiraling out of control, not merely Medicaid and Medicare. Not sure what your point is there... and not sure how you can take those links you provide as evidence that that spending does not need to be reined in, either. See those graphs of total health care spending hitting 30% of GDP in 25 years time, and 50% in 70 years? That is a rather large problem looming there, and it will have to be dealt with one way or another, as I said. Of course if the US just had a European-style nationalized health-care system its problems would be far smaller, but it doesn't, and I'm not sure it's even possible to transition towards that; it certainly wouldn't be easy or cheap.

I don't generally side with trzaska on these things, but I do have to agree with him that a good part of what you're writing here is really nonsensical, your last two sentences in particular. Hyperbole doesn't even cover it. Reining in health care spending really is not going to translate to "let's stop giving health insurance to children", and deregulation isn't going to return working conditions to those of the nineteenth century, as you seem to think.

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Several basics facts about US Debt and Spending.....

trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 04:41:55 AM 1143 Views

Well ... at least we've been here before ... ?

The_Muted_Grimaud - 16/04/2011 06:41:00 AM 664 Views

Guess we should have okay'd those death panels for old people then. Big money saver.

*NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/04/2011 03:38:00 PM 340 Views

Yeah, those old people are draining the system..... trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 06:57:59 PM 647 Views

You're already worse off than much of Europe, honestly. Legolas - 16/04/2011 04:08:37 PM 781 Views

Re: You're already worse off than much of Europe, honestly. Tihs Tnuc - 17/04/2011 01:33:31 AM 764 Views

Balancing our budget would be easy. ranagrande - 16/04/2011 06:46:32 PM 598 Views

Several of those aren't as easy as you make it sound, but the import tax is a big no-no. Legolas - 16/04/2011 07:34:30 PM 830 Views

Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea Isaac - 16/04/2011 08:17:26 PM 714 Views

Re: Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea Macharius - 18/04/2011 01:59:44 PM 754 Views

Re: Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea Isaac - 18/04/2011 05:16:14 PM 922 Views

Funny you mentioned WWII and 1968. Can you put tax rates at these times as well? Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 07:50:09 PM 1087 Views

Not really. Even if you can substantially raise tax revenue, the entitlement problem remains. *NM* Legolas - 16/04/2011 08:25:26 PM 297 Views

Re: Not really. Even if you can substantially raise tax revenue, the entitlement problem remains. Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 09:19:40 PM 758 Views

Have you ever looked at those projections for a decade or two hence? Legolas - 16/04/2011 10:13:12 PM 696 Views

Yes I have Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 10:44:50 PM 828 Views

Erm, and you think total health care spending is not getting out of control? I'm a little confused. Legolas - 16/04/2011 11:02:52 PM 756 Views

Yes it's going out of control Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 11:17:59 PM 698 Views

Good, we agree on that much then.

Legolas - 17/04/2011 09:59:17 AM 684 Views

Exactly. Cutting back on fraud and waste doesn't really put much of a dent in those projections. *NM* Tom - 17/04/2011 02:31:13 AM 279 Views

Sorry, but that is a stupid opinion..... trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 08:38:35 PM 663 Views

Sounds like another bull. Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 09:31:05 PM 931 Views

Dude, the data is the data.....tax revenue increased all three times. trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 09:47:37 PM 874 Views

As I suspected, it's a bull. Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 10:02:05 PM 801 Views

Stop being a fool - read and react to the data provided, posting something..... trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 10:14:11 PM 569 Views

Response is Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 10:19:00 PM 787 Views

Good lord.....it's like talking to a brick. I really hope you are 12 or 13. trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 10:28:44 PM 784 Views

Re: Good lord.....it's like talking to a brick. I really hope you are 12 or 13. Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 10:47:24 PM 745 Views

I take it you mean "rate of revenue growth decreases". Legolas - 16/04/2011 11:11:19 PM 639 Views

Re: I take it you mean "rate of revenue growth decreases". Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 11:26:02 PM 794 Views

Additional point Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 11:37:17 PM 799 Views

It's not remarkable that revenue increased after the Reagan cuts. Tom - 17/04/2011 07:21:47 PM 967 Views

I've just noticed that you've provided charts from Heritage Foundation! Are you f.. kidding me? Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 10:13:46 PM 661 Views

All the data is via CBO - do you know that the CBO is? trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 10:16:08 PM 672 Views

Re: All the data is via CBO - do you know that the CBO is? Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 10:27:01 PM 789 Views

Nice try.....care to explain why the same exact thing happened..... trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 10:35:44 PM 604 Views

Re: Nice try.....care to explain why the same exact thing happened..... Skeeve the Great - 16/04/2011 10:49:33 PM 735 Views

Krugman is a shill for the Obama administration. Tom - 17/04/2011 02:34:50 AM 614 Views

Re: Krugman is a shill for the Obama administration. Skeeve the Great - 17/04/2011 03:50:24 AM 838 Views

Some obesrvations by Republican economists Skeeve the Great - 18/04/2011 12:27:04 AM 975 Views

You mean the Keynesian economist who wrote The Failure of Reaganomics random thoughts - 18/04/2011 04:00:52 PM 610 Views

Re: You mean the Keynesian economist who wrote The Failure of Reaganomics Skeeve the Great - 18/04/2011 05:36:44 PM 594 Views

You use Krugman and then complain about the Heritage Foundation! Are you f.. kidding me? *NM* random thoughts - 18/04/2011 02:46:47 AM 312 Views

Useless fact about our presidents since 1945. heartbreak - 17/04/2011 09:20:16 PM 856 Views

Re: Several basics facts about US Debt and Spending.....

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<quote id="202134">As you can see, the projected grows in Medicaid and Medicare spending are in line with total health care spending. No jumps, no rapid changes. Will we see increase? Yes. Will we see increase in revenue? Yes. Will percentage of participants of both programs grow? Unsure. Remember that under these programs we are covering children, retired, poor and less fortunate as well. If we cut the programs, they poor will remain poor and less fortunate will remain less fortunate. The children won't be covered so that means more sick adults will eventually join the ranks of working force. Since we are cutting (under GOP proposals) environmental regulations, working conditions regulations, etc, it's likely that we'll get more sick and injured people as well. So yes, if we do this, the percentage of both programs participants may grow substantially and we will face the crisis.</quote>
Yes, your health care spending as a whole is spiraling out of control, not merely Medicaid and Medicare. Not sure what your point is there... and not sure how you can take those links you provide as evidence that that spending does not need to be reined in, either. See those graphs of total health care spending hitting 30% of GDP in 25 years time, and 50% in 70 years? That is a rather large problem looming there, and it will have to be dealt with one way or another, as I said. Of course if the US just had a European-style nationalized health-care system its problems would be far smaller, but it doesn't, and I'm not sure it's even possible to transition towards that; it certainly wouldn't be easy or cheap.

I don't generally side with trzaska on these things, but I do have to agree with him that a good part of what you're writing here is really nonsensical, your last two sentences in particular. Hyperbole doesn't even cover it. Reining in health care spending really is not going to translate to "let's stop giving health insurance to children", and deregulation isn't going to return working conditions to those of the nineteenth century, as you seem to think. 
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