Active Users:1006 Time:14/11/2024 10:18:05 PM
As I suspected, it's a bull. Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 16/04/2011 10:02:05 PM
I admit, I'm not an economist. I'm simple software engineer, so I let the people who knows about it to speak.

For example, Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prise winner:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/taxes-and-revenues-another-history-lesson/

Taxes and revenues — another history lesson
...
The important thing to realize, when looking at the history of federal revenues, is that they tend to grow over time even if there is no change in policy. One reason is inflation; another is growing population; a third is long-run economic growth
...
Overall, the graph suggests that yes, cutting taxes reduces revenue. But it also tells us that stuff happens: the stock bubble inflated revenues in the late 90s, the collapse of that bubble hit revenues thereafter, then the housing bubble did its thing, and so on.


Interesting article which deserves to be put whole:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/reagan-and-revenue/

Reagan and revenue
Ah – commenter Tom says, in response to my post on taxes and revenues:

Taxes were cut at the beginning of the Reagan administration.

Federal tax receipts increased by 50% by the end of the Reagan Administration.

Although correlation does not prove causation the tax cut must have accounted for some portion of this increase in federal tax receipts.

I couldn’t have asked for a better example of why it’s important to correct for inflation and population growth, both of which tend to make revenues grow regardless of tax policy.

Actually, federal revenues rose 80 percent in dollar terms from 1980 to 1988. And numbers like that (sometimes they play with the dates) are thrown around by Reagan hagiographers all the time.

But real revenues per capita grew only 19 percent over the same period — better than the likely Bush performance, but still nothing exciting. In fact, it’s less than revenue growth in the period 1972-1980 (24 percent) and much less than the amazing 41 percent gain from 1992 to 2000.

Is it really possible that all the triumphant declarations that the Reagan tax cuts led to a revenue boom — declarations that you see in highly respectable places — are based on nothing but a failure to make the most elementary corrections for inflation and population growth? Yes, it is. I know we’re supposed to pretend that we’re having a serious discussion in this country; but the truth is that we aren’t.

Update: For the econowonks out there: business cycles are an issue here — revenue growth from trough to peak will look better than the reverse. Unfortunately, business cycles don’t correspond to administrations. But looking at revenue changes peak to peak is still revealing. So here’s the annual rate of growth of real revenue per capita over some cycles:

1973-1979: 2.7%
1979-1990: 1.8%
1990-2000: 3.2%
2000-2007 (probable peak): approximately zero

Do you see the revenue booms from the Reagan and Bush tax cuts? Me neither.
Reply to message
Several basics facts about US Debt and Spending..... - 16/04/2011 04:41:55 AM 1125 Views
Well ... at least we've been here before ... ? - 16/04/2011 06:41:00 AM 645 Views
Guess we should have okay'd those death panels for old people then. Big money saver. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:38:00 PM 330 Views
Yeah, those old people are draining the system..... - 16/04/2011 06:57:59 PM 625 Views
You're already worse off than much of Europe, honestly. - 16/04/2011 04:08:37 PM 761 Views
Re: You're already worse off than much of Europe, honestly. - 17/04/2011 01:33:31 AM 737 Views
Balancing our budget would be easy. - 16/04/2011 06:46:32 PM 579 Views
Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea - 16/04/2011 08:17:26 PM 690 Views
Re: Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea - 18/04/2011 01:59:44 PM 730 Views
Re: Also on the buying drugs from Canada idea - 18/04/2011 05:16:14 PM 900 Views
Funny you mentioned WWII and 1968. Can you put tax rates at these times as well? - 16/04/2011 07:50:09 PM 1069 Views
Not really. Even if you can substantially raise tax revenue, the entitlement problem remains. *NM* - 16/04/2011 08:25:26 PM 288 Views
Re: Not really. Even if you can substantially raise tax revenue, the entitlement problem remains. - 16/04/2011 09:19:40 PM 732 Views
Have you ever looked at those projections for a decade or two hence? - 16/04/2011 10:13:12 PM 674 Views
Yes I have - 16/04/2011 10:44:50 PM 802 Views
Erm, and you think total health care spending is not getting out of control? I'm a little confused. - 16/04/2011 11:02:52 PM 734 Views
Yes it's going out of control - 16/04/2011 11:17:59 PM 673 Views
Good, we agree on that much then. - 17/04/2011 09:59:17 AM 665 Views
Sorry, but that is a stupid opinion..... - 16/04/2011 08:38:35 PM 641 Views
Sounds like another bull. - 16/04/2011 09:31:05 PM 911 Views
Dude, the data is the data.....tax revenue increased all three times. - 16/04/2011 09:47:37 PM 849 Views
As I suspected, it's a bull. - 16/04/2011 10:02:05 PM 783 Views
Stop being a fool - read and react to the data provided, posting something..... - 16/04/2011 10:14:11 PM 543 Views
Response is - 16/04/2011 10:19:00 PM 764 Views
Good lord.....it's like talking to a brick. I really hope you are 12 or 13. - 16/04/2011 10:28:44 PM 760 Views
Re: Good lord.....it's like talking to a brick. I really hope you are 12 or 13. - 16/04/2011 10:47:24 PM 720 Views
I take it you mean "rate of revenue growth decreases". - 16/04/2011 11:11:19 PM 619 Views
Re: I take it you mean "rate of revenue growth decreases". - 16/04/2011 11:26:02 PM 769 Views
Additional point - 16/04/2011 11:37:17 PM 772 Views
I've just noticed that you've provided charts from Heritage Foundation! Are you f.. kidding me? - 16/04/2011 10:13:46 PM 641 Views
All the data is via CBO - do you know that the CBO is? - 16/04/2011 10:16:08 PM 651 Views
Re: All the data is via CBO - do you know that the CBO is? - 16/04/2011 10:27:01 PM 766 Views
Nice try.....care to explain why the same exact thing happened..... - 16/04/2011 10:35:44 PM 579 Views
Re: Nice try.....care to explain why the same exact thing happened..... - 16/04/2011 10:49:33 PM 709 Views
Krugman is a shill for the Obama administration. - 17/04/2011 02:34:50 AM 592 Views
Re: Krugman is a shill for the Obama administration. - 17/04/2011 03:50:24 AM 815 Views
Some obesrvations by Republican economists - 18/04/2011 12:27:04 AM 950 Views
You mean the Keynesian economist who wrote The Failure of Reaganomics - 18/04/2011 04:00:52 PM 582 Views
Re: You mean the Keynesian economist who wrote The Failure of Reaganomics - 18/04/2011 05:36:44 PM 571 Views
Useless fact about our presidents since 1945. - 17/04/2011 09:20:16 PM 816 Views
Re: Several basics facts about US Debt and Spending..... - 20/04/2011 03:51:19 PM 1000 Views

Reply to Message