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WTF arizona? moondog Send a noteboard - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM
apparently arizona is trying really hard to be the nutjob state. yeah, i know this bill hasn't quite passed yet, but the fact it got this far is a sign that people need a serious dose of common sense in the arizona legislature

Arizona Legislature OKs Presidential 'Birther' Bill

Published April 15, 2011

| Associated Press

PHOENIX -- The Arizona Legislature gave final approval late Thursday night to a proposal that would require President Obama and other presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names can appear on the state's ballot.

Arizona would become the first state to require such proof if Gov. Jan Brewer signs the measure into law.

Republican Rep. Carl Seel of Phoenix, the author of the bill, said the bill wasn't about opposition to Obama. "This bill is about the integrity of our elections," Seel said.

Thirteen other states have considered similar proposals this year. The proposals were defeated in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana.

The bill won final approval from the state House in a 40-16 vote.

So-called "birthers" contend since the last presidential election that Obama is ineligible to hold the nation's highest elected office because, they argue, he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. The Constitution said a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public. Even though the courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility, the issue hasn't gone away.

"It's a fringe issue in my view, and it's going to cause people to look again at Arizona and say what's all this craziness going on there," said Democratic Rep. Daniel Patterson of Tucson, an opponent of the bill.

The Arizona proposal would require political parties and presidential candidates to hand in affidavits stating a candidate's citizenship and age and to provide the candidate's birth certificate and a sworn statement saying where the candidate has lived for 14 years.

If candidates don't have a copy of their birth certificates, they could meet the requirement by providing baptismal or circumcision certificates, hospital birth records and other documents.

If it can't be determined whether candidates who provided documents in place of their birth certificates are eligible to appear on the ballot, the secretary of state would be able to set up a committee to help determine whether the requirements have been met.

The names of candidates can be kept off the ballot if the secretary of state doesn't believe the candidates met the citizenship requirement.
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WTF arizona? - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 1941 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 864 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 766 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 947 Views
that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 878 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 738 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 909 Views
I think everyone's too little - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 902 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 825 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 815 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 765 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 702 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 785 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 871 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 811 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 790 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 896 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 966 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 918 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 872 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 835 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 741 Views
Why is it racist? - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 764 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 848 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 871 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 824 Views
OK I will try to be clearer - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 819 Views
Why should he show it? - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 774 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 893 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 804 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 435 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 399 Views
Actually - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 875 Views
This - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 726 Views
He already has - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 846 Views
Don't we already do this? - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 816 Views
actually there isn't - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 883 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 855 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 419 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 821 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 964 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 898 Views
Meh, who cares? - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 852 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 389 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 418 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 424 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 393 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 803 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 787 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 394 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 414 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 777 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 846 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 830 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 864 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 746 Views
That wasn't the point - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 790 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 984 Views
read above, he has. *NM* - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 395 Views
Provided a birth certificate? - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1183 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 874 Views
No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 915 Views
Re: No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 892 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 922 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 862 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 953 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1061 Views
I think it is for some people. - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 749 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 786 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 430 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 377 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 1000 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 882 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 342 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 389 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 354 Views

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