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Who says..... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 14/04/2011 04:26:31 PM
I like the way you put the carbon dating thing. Wheras the idea that God put dinosaur bones into the ground makes him seem a lying trickster, the idea that he created everything like that makes him more a truthful storyteller.

But it also raises fun questions like whether or not the Bible itself is one such thing. Maybe God really only just created the universe one second ago.


that God created dino bones in the dirt? I like to challenge students to this idea.....(I don't know if someone more learned then I has postulated this, but I thought it was interesting).

Take a literal account of the creation story....everything from the universe (as we know it) to humans was created in six of our 24hr days. Ok...you will notice that not long after that passage in the Bible, the story begins of the serpent, and the Fall, and everything. But here's the fun part. There is no time reference for us to know if it happened like...the next week, or a very long time later?

Ultimately, we have no idea how long Adam & Eve were in the Garden of Eden before the Fall. It could have been for a very long time....and in that time, any sort of thing could have happened to whatever was roaming the earth....including dinos.

There's a verse in the Bible which says that our ways are not God's ways. This is a comforting thought considering my ways often screw things up, and I don't always think of everything. God, on the other hand, has a bigger perspective and can think of everything.

So we live in a world where even the ground...and the stuff in the ground...says that the world is very, very old. And in our intellect, we have created concepts which explain this. But it comes down to...do we have the faith to believe in God *despite* what the dirt is telling us? After all...even when it comes to what we think the dirt is telling us...we still have to take that on faith. So which faith is stronger?

~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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it wouldn't change much for me, but I'm pretty flexible in my spiritual beliefs LadyLorraine - 12/04/2011 04:23:34 PM 1081 Views
This. *NM* Avendesora - 13/04/2011 04:15:11 PM 588 Views
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Thanks, I fixed it. *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:29:20 PM 598 Views
Your comments, or mine? Joel - 13/04/2011 01:24:53 AM 1470 Views
You get one guess. Vivien - 13/04/2011 07:09:01 PM 1201 Views
One dismissive answer deserves another. Joel - 24/04/2011 12:54:44 AM 1089 Views
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*is disappointed* *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 08:01:05 PM 527 Views
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Re: I bet you do! Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:02:07 AM 1024 Views
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OMG! Vivien - 14/04/2011 06:19:50 PM 1019 Views
Go expand his worldview. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 06:56:03 PM 547 Views
I think we are similar in some respects philosophically. everynametaken - 13/04/2011 05:59:38 AM 972 Views
That's pretty much how I feel. Being a universalist helps in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 06:25:34 AM 595 Views
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So then my question is.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:08:42 PM 935 Views
Because I believe that Jesus was an incarnation of the λόγος. Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 12:36:36 AM 969 Views
*heh* Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:12:32 PM 1081 Views
I think I answered it pretty clearly in my post title. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 06:59:47 PM 602 Views
Actually, you didn't. Jeordam - 15/04/2011 12:12:42 AM 1026 Views
Re: Actually, you didn't. Ghavrel - 24/04/2011 09:04:04 AM 1000 Views
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Okay, I have to admit I wasn't expecting to get called out on that. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:03:08 AM 1066 Views
no I think that's just the literal definition... LadyLorraine - 12/04/2011 11:19:18 PM 923 Views
Isn't that what "technically" would imply? Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:04:42 AM 1123 Views
And that's why I don't quibble with %'s, I just say I'm an atheist *NM* Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:45:31 PM 639 Views
It certainly doesn't mean you can't make conclusions. Tom - 12/04/2011 08:09:41 PM 1084 Views
Re: Campbell: Gaps - 12/04/2011 08:42:09 PM 1083 Views
Self-identification is an interesting point here. Tom - 12/04/2011 09:00:46 PM 976 Views
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Sadly enough, one of my favorite explanations of religion came from someone discussing a video game. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 04:12:23 AM 1023 Views
Re: I'm basically a Magi. I'm going to travel to Brazil and then take over the world. *NM* Gaps - 13/04/2011 04:18:25 AM 603 Views
Either you meant "Magus" or you are a schizophrenic wizard. Both are acceptably awesome. Ghavrel - 13/04/2011 05:37:34 AM 1020 Views
Re: I think it was Jarod Diamond... Gaps - 14/04/2011 03:39:32 AM 1007 Views
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Answers. Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:05:38 PM 978 Views
That's not a compelling counter-argument for me. Tom - 12/04/2011 11:22:21 PM 1144 Views
Never mind. Aeryn - 12/04/2011 11:34:46 PM 943 Views
be sure to post if it does happen *NM* random thoughts - 12/04/2011 11:56:17 PM 543 Views
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I can easily believe that. Tom - 13/04/2011 06:14:51 AM 921 Views
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Pythagoras was a total nut. Vivien - 12/04/2011 10:05:42 PM 1065 Views
True Stephen - 12/04/2011 10:13:43 PM 971 Views
It would upset my belief in science random thoughts - 12/04/2011 09:39:39 PM 1110 Views
There's so much wrong with that statement. Vivien - 12/04/2011 09:55:45 PM 1091 Views
If science proved there really was an Easter Bunny would it affect your believe in science? *NM* random thoughts - 12/04/2011 10:30:09 PM 644 Views
*is both bored and annoyed* Vivien - 12/04/2011 11:03:10 PM 979 Views
right. Aeryn - 12/04/2011 11:18:31 PM 1186 Views
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Did you read my original post? random thoughts - 13/04/2011 03:13:34 AM 888 Views
I did, yes. Joel - 13/04/2011 03:32:18 AM 931 Views
Yes it would upset my belief in science, why is that so hard to accept random thoughts - 13/04/2011 01:56:59 PM 1038 Views
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I'm really happy you've read them and got the reference. Phineas Gage, Steel Inquisitor. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/04/2011 12:29:01 AM 529 Views
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Can one have an identity without memory? *NM* Aeryn - 13/04/2011 03:46:16 PM 568 Views
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I assume you're implying time travel between past-life or future-life experiences. Burr - 12/04/2011 11:26:19 PM 1008 Views
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I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space Helene - 13/04/2011 04:00:51 PM 971 Views
Re: I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space Antigone - 14/04/2011 03:29:55 AM 985 Views
Sorry :-) Helene - 14/04/2011 10:15:30 AM 1053 Views
Interesting concept.... Jeordam - 13/04/2011 07:28:42 PM 950 Views
Heh. Loose faith. LadyLorraine - 14/04/2011 02:32:27 AM 979 Views
It kinda still works though....doesn't it? Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:14:19 PM 966 Views
it does work. well in fact! *NM* LadyLorraine - 24/04/2011 03:24:25 AM 548 Views
Oooh... Burr - 14/04/2011 04:31:30 AM 1027 Views
Who says..... Jeordam - 14/04/2011 04:26:31 PM 1082 Views
Wow, thanks for all the responses!! Antigone - 14/04/2011 03:42:38 AM 1033 Views
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