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What a load of crap! Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 14/04/2011 03:49:29 PM
I realize that Obama is playing politics and so I don't fault him for coming out with an unrealistic budget proposal (at least in theory). What I don't understand is why anyone would honestly support it.


I support it.


The harsh reality is that raising taxes on the rich is not going to be enough to balance the budget. There aren't enough rich people to tax to generate that kind of revenue.

Crap #1. During Clinton era, taxes were higher and we have surpluses. Almost all Clinton years we had balanced budget.


The middle class contributes the majority of the taxes collected by the Treasury

Crap #2. That's not true.


Any attempt at fiscal responsibility is going to likely see a return to the Clinton-era tax levels.

Judging by the context of the post, I assume you meant this as a bad thing, which is crap #3.


Furthermore, Obama's refusal to touch Medicare and Medicaid is absolutely absurd.

Crap #4. Obama did not refused to touch Medicare and Medicaid. He refused to abolish it. But he actually promised to reform it.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/13/news/economy/medicaid_medicare_obama/index.htm


The program has been doubling in cost every five years or so,

Crap #5. Even if factual basis of it maybe true, the intent was to show that it's either Obama fault or Dem party fault. When in fact, cost of Medicare and Medicaid skyrocketed during Bush administration when Republuican enacted pay outs for their friends (anyone remember Medicaid D which Reps didn't provided money for in the first place?)


Fraud is rampant, payouts are obscene (example: motorized scooters cost private insurers $1200, but Medicare pays $3000 for them, hence non-stop commercials for the same on cable news networks).

Crap #6. Remember, that this quotes is in the context of "Obama's refusal to touch Medicare and Medicaid" crap. Meaning this example supposed to show us how evil Obama is to waste our money. This is bullsh!t. In fact, Obama said the following: "Our approach lowers the government’s health care bills by reducing the cost of health care itself. ... We will reform these programs, but we will not abandon the fundamental commitment this country has kept for generations."


Even if those two problems were fixed the programs are still going to bankrupt the US.

Crap #7. So doomed if we do, doomed if we don't? Is that what you are saying?


It's just disgusting that Obama can try to pretend like his proposal is reasonable. It disgusts me in a way that few things Obama has done have disgusted me.

I see that you are disgusted a lot by whatever Obama does.
This message last edited by Skeeve the Great on 14/04/2011 at 04:21:56 PM
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How can anyone seriously support Obama's budget proposals? Tom - 14/04/2011 02:49:30 PM 1088 Views
I agree with your overall point but I do question one of your facts random thoughts - 14/04/2011 03:25:25 PM 576 Views
Using IRS data for 2008: (most recent year for which data is available) Macharius - 14/04/2011 03:45:20 PM 594 Views
those numbers sem high. What is your source? *NM* random thoughts - 14/04/2011 05:05:26 PM 230 Views
You didn't interpret the spreadsheet correctly. I'm positive of that. Tom - 14/04/2011 06:08:39 PM 459 Views
I'm gonna have to jump on board the wagon with that being a bad figure, got some others Isaac - 14/04/2011 07:33:14 PM 626 Views
Some other income data for historical perspective, again CBO Isaac - 14/04/2011 07:45:13 PM 565 Views
Data: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in31mt.xls *NM* Macharius - 14/04/2011 08:32:42 PM 237 Views
That's a breakdown of who modifies their returns and how it affects revenue. Tom - 14/04/2011 09:15:21 PM 451 Views
I see. Well, nevermind then. *NM* Macharius - 15/04/2011 01:37:13 PM 227 Views
I believe you are questioning one of my definitions, not one of my facts. Tom - 14/04/2011 04:36:35 PM 509 Views
No matter how you define it I think it would be hard to call the top 5% middle class random thoughts - 14/04/2011 05:03:33 PM 521 Views
A family making $150,000 is not middle class? Tom - 14/04/2011 06:07:07 PM 530 Views
reading what you said again random thoughts - 14/04/2011 06:37:54 PM 495 Views
What a load of crap! Skeeve the Great - 14/04/2011 03:49:29 PM 672 Views
Yes, your response is a load of crap. Tom - 14/04/2011 04:55:20 PM 571 Views
Re: Yes, your response is a load of crap. Skeeve the Great - 14/04/2011 05:13:14 PM 653 Views
This is our first war without a tax increase. Tom - 14/04/2011 06:05:43 PM 574 Views
"Artful Dodgers" Skeeve the Great - 14/04/2011 06:30:58 PM 514 Views
Not giving me the information I need Tom - 14/04/2011 09:33:36 PM 500 Views
Er, check facts Isaac - 14/04/2011 05:04:02 PM 700 Views
Yeah, lets fact check Skeeve the Great - 14/04/2011 05:43:34 PM 552 Views
You understand you're actually supposed to cite data for a fact check right? Isaac - 14/04/2011 06:38:22 PM 715 Views
I'm not sure thats entirely right MalkierKnight - 14/04/2011 05:51:18 PM 731 Views
You basically just said what I said. How am I not right? Tom - 14/04/2011 05:56:08 PM 509 Views
Re: You basically just said what I said. How am I not right? MalkierKnight - 15/04/2011 02:48:07 AM 627 Views
A response Roland00 - 14/04/2011 06:33:49 PM 628 Views
I only have one thing to ask. callandor1000 - 15/04/2011 02:36:07 PM 484 Views
What about the farm subsidies and the military? Vivien - 15/04/2011 04:54:54 PM 542 Views
Re: What about the farm subsidies and the military? Skeeve the Great - 15/04/2011 08:21:16 PM 506 Views
Cutting the military isn't enough Roland00 - 16/04/2011 04:27:11 AM 482 Views
Defense is 60% of the discretionary budget as well, so it's more like 26% overall. Just sayin'. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2011 04:53:30 AM 242 Views
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