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No. You don't get to say, "what he said doesn't matter because of how we learned of it". Joel Send a noteboard - 16/03/2011 11:54:46 PM
Or at least, you shouldn't. I may not be perfect, but I try very hard to evaluate peoples statements based on WHAT they said rather than WHO said it or in what context. Sure, I'll question the facts of someone who's hyperpartisan, but if their facts check out that's not invalidated by who presented them. The full text of the EESC Presidents statements clarified the meaning of one of those statements that would HAVE no meaning otherwise. It was still a forced connection, and an exploitive one, and I said so; how you or I feel about each others politics is neither here nor there to that. The full text of Rushs statements only reinforced the explicit meaning of the excerpt.

You offered those statements as an out for Rush:

There are people out there who blamed things like this on Global Warming, not very sane individuals in my opinion, but after the Earthquake that smashed up Haiti a number of people did blame that on Global Warming, and actually the President of the European Economic and Social Committee issued a statement in regards to Japan calling for solidarity to fight climate change:

[Text of EESC Presidents statement]

So, would kind of seem his priorities are messed up. That's the complete statement because I'm a big believer in context, its not quite as whacky as when I first saw it, with only the bolded part, I'd be curious if anyone would want to dig up the 30 seconds or so before and after Rush's comments. In his case though, he has the advantage that there are a lot of loons out there who say thing like

You mentioned context ONCE in the course of many attempts to justify Rushs statement as spoken; now we've got the benefit of the transcript and, guess what: He actually WAS accusing environmentalists of blaming the tsunami on global warming (and of blaming the earthquake on fracking) with no more evidence than his certainty that they WILL. That's a far cry from the EESC President calling for solidarity on climate change in two lines of a multiparagraph call for GENERAL solidarity during the disaster. He clearly called for general solidarity, btw; saying it was a "statement in regards to Japan calling for solidarity to fight climate change" ignores that (though it would justify Rushs comments were it accurate): He mentioned global warming, but that was not the focus, though he shouldn't have mentioned it at all in reference to this disaster.

Then you go on to cite other examples of extremist liberal comments that somehow also justify Rushs statements, despite the fact that none of them blame the tsunami on global warming, because they give Rush "the advantage that there are a lot of loons out there who say thing like" the radical quotes you cited. That not "context will clarify he didn't mean what it sounds like", it's "his factually untrue statement is legitimate because of all the crazy stuff environmentalist radicals say". Nice try though.
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So, how many drugs is Rush Limbaugh actually on? - 16/03/2011 08:30:25 AM 836 Views
Possibly different ones then the EESC president - 16/03/2011 03:58:41 PM 729 Views
No one's blaming the earthquake or tsunami on global warming. - 16/03/2011 04:22:52 PM 531 Views
Actually people have - 16/03/2011 04:31:37 PM 677 Views
Which people? Where? Example? - 16/03/2011 06:48:10 PM 697 Views
Tsunami and climate change - 17/03/2011 11:59:36 PM 680 Views
A slightly misleading post - 16/03/2011 07:41:46 PM 615 Views
Surprised? *NM* - 16/03/2011 08:59:35 PM 258 Views
Not completely. *NM* - 16/03/2011 09:13:48 PM 233 Views
Kind of missed the point there - 16/03/2011 09:54:35 PM 617 Views
If you link the transcript I'll look at it. - 16/03/2011 10:16:21 PM 490 Views
Re: If you link the transcript I'll look at it. - 16/03/2011 10:44:56 PM 630 Views
" I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed.... - 16/03/2011 11:10:11 PM 651 Views
Re: " I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed.... - 16/03/2011 11:42:29 PM 480 Views
Fair enough. - 17/03/2011 12:08:13 AM 585 Views
Re: Fair enough. - 17/03/2011 12:37:12 AM 558 Views
No worries. - 17/03/2011 12:48:44 AM 820 Views
I've read the transcript - 16/03/2011 10:34:41 PM 641 Views
Re: I've read the transcript - 16/03/2011 10:46:42 PM 556 Views
You need to reread what I said - 16/03/2011 10:49:45 PM 519 Views
No, I think you're still missing my point - 16/03/2011 11:09:04 PM 596 Views
Perhaps - 16/03/2011 11:26:37 PM 657 Views
Okay, I'm done - 16/03/2011 11:37:58 PM 553 Views
Seriously, you need to pick a better example to make your point - 18/03/2011 05:00:10 PM 535 Views
No. You don't get to say, "what he said doesn't matter because of how we learned of it". - 16/03/2011 11:54:46 PM 545 Views
I told you, I'm done in this thread - 16/03/2011 11:59:08 PM 524 Views
Acknowledged (though I'd not seen that response yet, sorry). - 17/03/2011 12:11:58 AM 564 Views
I think Republicans should stop using "legitimate". I do not think it means what they think it means - 16/03/2011 04:11:14 PM 637 Views
there are enough carzies on the left to make things like this easy for Rush - 16/03/2011 04:20:47 PM 582 Views
So it doesn't matter that no one said it as long as he can plausibly claim they did. - 16/03/2011 06:58:17 PM 511 Views
well since it is taken out of context it is hard to say where Rush was going with it - 16/03/2011 07:19:46 PM 617 Views
Um... he stated where he was going with it. - 16/03/2011 07:30:02 PM 578 Views
At least you are not ashamed to use a double standard - 16/03/2011 08:17:39 PM 523 Views
It's the same standard, whatever you choose to believe. - 16/03/2011 09:08:01 PM 644 Views
I don't thinkit is as clear as you make it out to be - 16/03/2011 09:31:53 PM 536 Views
It is not just "possible" he's talking about islands affected by global warming; he says it outright - 16/03/2011 10:09:16 PM 694 Views
Sorry but I still fail to see how the islands he mention are a sign of what needs to be done - 16/03/2011 10:27:20 PM 581 Views
Hey, guys! - 16/03/2011 10:55:07 PM 503 Views
and how its that different than what I said? *NM* - 16/03/2011 11:14:46 PM 221 Views
Then you don't understand context and this whole discussion is pointless. - 16/03/2011 11:28:47 PM 659 Views
lets throw a little context at asnd see if it matters - 17/03/2011 12:12:03 AM 541 Views
Yes: It makes it worse. - 17/03/2011 12:45:12 AM 550 Views
Re: At least you are not ashamed to use a double standard - 16/03/2011 09:22:37 PM 667 Views
maybe he heard that they were blaming it on Pearl Harbor *NM* - 16/03/2011 10:14:59 PM 224 Views

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