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Which people? Where? Example? Joel Send a noteboard - 16/03/2011 06:48:10 PM
If he's going to accuse "environmentalists" in general of something like that he should provide an example; you may not hold them all responsible for things alleged without evidence, but Rush explicitly has, and that was the complaint.
They are undeniably a small number of lunatics and I don't hold groups accountable for those, anymore then I did when Danny Glover blamed the Earthquake in Haiti on it, but under the 'Never Let a Good Crisis Go To Waste' theory a lot of people have already started pressing anti-nuclear agendas, those people are certainly fair game, as are others who will use this tragedy to feed their own political goals.

Undeniably; I'd already noticed Wikipedia is quoting a "Carnegie Endowment associate"s statement that "This was a wake-up call for anyone who believed that, after 50 years of nuclear power in this world, we have figured it out and can go back to business as usual." That's from an even more alarmist USA Today article best summarized at the end of its opening paragraph: "When the radioactive steam and smoke have cleared, engineers, regulators and policymakers in the United States and across the globe will have a new reference point in the debate over how to build and operate nuclear power plants — or whether to have them at all. " It's TMI all over again--but not in the way they think. Had Limbaugh taken issue with THAT I'd have been forced to agree with him; instead he chose to claim "environmentalists" in general are blaming the tsunami on global warming (again, do we have any examples of anyone doing that, or did he pull it out of thin air?) and ask if they'll be glad to see Japanese autoworkers suffering or "pretend" to be saddened by the death of thousands. I have an equally "legitimate" question for Rush: Did you beat your wife again last night? :rolleyes:
Despite Limbaughs claiming otherwise for the sake of questions he ludicrously calls "legitimate". The EESC President merely called for global solidarity, and noted in passing that climate change is another case where this is advisable,

Its a short official statement, nothing in it is 'in passing'

You quoted several paragraphs calling for global solidarity during this crisis, of which, what, two sentences? suggested that be directed toward global warming as well. That brief suggestion was a clumsy and rather opportunistic call for action on global warming because it makes the effects of the tsunami worse for some areas, but in no way was it "environmentalists" trying to "blame this on global warming", so Limbaughs question remains not so much "legitimate" as "begged". I have no more patience with his mendacity than he has with that of welfare queens.
since the tsunamis impact on some islands has been exacerbated (but not CAUSED) by global warming. While American conservatism and internationalism have never gotten on well, the formers case against the latter should be made without raising questions illegitimately based on invented facts. Speaking of invented facts, I was rather disappointed to see Huckabee quoted in the marquee at the link saying, in regard to the President, that most of us grew up going to boy scout meetings rather than madrasas. I'd have thought that beneath him (Huckabee, I mean) and regret that it seemingly isn't.

Tangent, not interested in Huckabee, bring it up elsewhere, it's unrelated and I've asked you to try to avoid tangents with me, you know it leaves me either having to defend whatever it is and going into a Joel-Isaac fifty page dialogue or I have ignore it and let you score some point.

It's another example of a Republican icon knowingly misrepresenting the facts to smear opponents, just as Limbaugh did here. If I started a new thread every time one of them did that it would crash the site, so perhaps your reproofs would be better directed at the allies making absurd, false and irresponsible statements than at people who call them on it. The rest of us will stop thinking people like this represent the Republican Party when Republicans stop giving them a platform and accepting their leadership--but only then.
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So, how many drugs is Rush Limbaugh actually on? - 16/03/2011 08:30:25 AM 835 Views
Possibly different ones then the EESC president - 16/03/2011 03:58:41 PM 729 Views
No one's blaming the earthquake or tsunami on global warming. - 16/03/2011 04:22:52 PM 530 Views
Actually people have - 16/03/2011 04:31:37 PM 676 Views
Which people? Where? Example? - 16/03/2011 06:48:10 PM 697 Views
Tsunami and climate change - 17/03/2011 11:59:36 PM 679 Views
A slightly misleading post - 16/03/2011 07:41:46 PM 615 Views
Surprised? *NM* - 16/03/2011 08:59:35 PM 258 Views
Not completely. *NM* - 16/03/2011 09:13:48 PM 232 Views
Kind of missed the point there - 16/03/2011 09:54:35 PM 617 Views
If you link the transcript I'll look at it. - 16/03/2011 10:16:21 PM 490 Views
Re: If you link the transcript I'll look at it. - 16/03/2011 10:44:56 PM 630 Views
" I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed.... - 16/03/2011 11:10:11 PM 651 Views
Re: " I can't help attaching, you know, political reaction to this". Yeah, we noticed.... - 16/03/2011 11:42:29 PM 479 Views
Fair enough. - 17/03/2011 12:08:13 AM 584 Views
Re: Fair enough. - 17/03/2011 12:37:12 AM 558 Views
No worries. - 17/03/2011 12:48:44 AM 820 Views
I've read the transcript - 16/03/2011 10:34:41 PM 641 Views
Re: I've read the transcript - 16/03/2011 10:46:42 PM 556 Views
You need to reread what I said - 16/03/2011 10:49:45 PM 518 Views
No, I think you're still missing my point - 16/03/2011 11:09:04 PM 595 Views
Perhaps - 16/03/2011 11:26:37 PM 656 Views
Okay, I'm done - 16/03/2011 11:37:58 PM 552 Views
Seriously, you need to pick a better example to make your point - 18/03/2011 05:00:10 PM 535 Views
No. You don't get to say, "what he said doesn't matter because of how we learned of it". - 16/03/2011 11:54:46 PM 544 Views
I told you, I'm done in this thread - 16/03/2011 11:59:08 PM 524 Views
Acknowledged (though I'd not seen that response yet, sorry). - 17/03/2011 12:11:58 AM 564 Views
I think Republicans should stop using "legitimate". I do not think it means what they think it means - 16/03/2011 04:11:14 PM 636 Views
there are enough carzies on the left to make things like this easy for Rush - 16/03/2011 04:20:47 PM 581 Views
So it doesn't matter that no one said it as long as he can plausibly claim they did. - 16/03/2011 06:58:17 PM 511 Views
well since it is taken out of context it is hard to say where Rush was going with it - 16/03/2011 07:19:46 PM 616 Views
Um... he stated where he was going with it. - 16/03/2011 07:30:02 PM 578 Views
At least you are not ashamed to use a double standard - 16/03/2011 08:17:39 PM 522 Views
It's the same standard, whatever you choose to believe. - 16/03/2011 09:08:01 PM 643 Views
I don't thinkit is as clear as you make it out to be - 16/03/2011 09:31:53 PM 535 Views
It is not just "possible" he's talking about islands affected by global warming; he says it outright - 16/03/2011 10:09:16 PM 693 Views
Sorry but I still fail to see how the islands he mention are a sign of what needs to be done - 16/03/2011 10:27:20 PM 580 Views
Hey, guys! - 16/03/2011 10:55:07 PM 502 Views
and how its that different than what I said? *NM* - 16/03/2011 11:14:46 PM 221 Views
Then you don't understand context and this whole discussion is pointless. - 16/03/2011 11:28:47 PM 658 Views
lets throw a little context at asnd see if it matters - 17/03/2011 12:12:03 AM 541 Views
Yes: It makes it worse. - 17/03/2011 12:45:12 AM 549 Views
Re: At least you are not ashamed to use a double standard - 16/03/2011 09:22:37 PM 666 Views
maybe he heard that they were blaming it on Pearl Harbor *NM* - 16/03/2011 10:14:59 PM 223 Views

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