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I know ENGLISH well enough to know what she's saying; you're the only who thinks WHO said it matters Joel Send a noteboard - 15/03/2011 10:54:04 PM
I suppose an argument could be made when they start calling for violence against US citizens in the streets of America, yeah....
Sorry Joel but since we don't know what she said before or after that statement you really have no idea what she was talking about. You assume you do but you should know better than to trust an edited video.

Give it UP, man, you're willfully ignoring what conservative elected leaders said in the light of day because you can't admit someone on "your side" did anything wrong, much less urged violence against their own constituents, US citizens, on the basis of religion. That's why those constituents need a police guard just to go to church, and have to wonder if the city councilwoman who wants US Marines to murder them will allow that guard next time, yet a majority of Republicans voted for her, and will probably do so again, while you insist it's just radical fringe. You can't call people unrepresentative of your "patriotic" movement after you gave them the official title of "Representative".

You can disavow the evenings protesters, wash your hands of them as a fringe element that doesn't represent your party or movement, but when it's coming from an elected official, who by definition represents a MAJORITY, that doesn't work, does it? Then you have to either admit and accept that many of your chosen LEADERS, not just some lunatic fringe, are hate mongers who incite violence against peaceful Americans, or find some tortured way to rationalize a defense for them. What happened to the old conservative mindset Daniel Webster famously stated as "I'd rather be right than President"? When did demonizing peoples religious freedom become a legitimate path to power in America? THAT'S the party of Lincoln?

I agree this is a waste of time; you've demonstrated yet again that you'll defend ANYTHING a Republican leader says, simply because they're Republican. Usually you excuse it by saying liberals even other liberals don't respect do the same thing, as if it's OK to embrace behavior in leaders that you AND your opponents condemn supporters. Again, that's how you can tell whether something is really just a lunatic fringe or if that's merely an excuse: Lunatic fringes are disavowed and pushed aside; majorities, in this case a dangerous one, are defended and elected to office. I'm sorry--truly very sorry, on many levels--that so many of your chosen leaders are violence inciting bigots, but only you, not I, can change that; all I can do is oppose their hate fueled attempts to seize control of our country, the way you SHOULD be opposing their hate fueled attempt to seize control of that country and your faction.
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM 1365 Views
actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night - 13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM 968 Views
since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few - 13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM 820 Views
The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress. - 13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM 765 Views
and you believe the Tea Party is electing terrorist to office? - 14/03/2011 03:17:49 PM 802 Views
"I know quite a few Marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to paradise". - 14/03/2011 07:17:02 PM 810 Views
which terrorist was she talking about? You don't even have context just a propaganda video - 14/03/2011 09:13:22 PM 870 Views
That she directed it toward the whole event rather than specific people is the whole problem. - 14/03/2011 09:53:29 PM 729 Views
really? you have unedited video of her doing that? - 14/03/2011 11:01:57 PM 879 Views
She said, "what's going on over there is PURE UNADULTERATED evil". - 15/03/2011 12:21:16 AM 808 Views
you sure seem to know alot about what she meant from just hearing two clips out of context - 15/03/2011 02:47:44 PM 727 Views
No, I'm just not being obtuse about her clear meaning because she's on "my side". - 15/03/2011 08:39:21 PM 820 Views
You could see where she was pointing? All I saw were flags - 15/03/2011 08:45:02 PM 809 Views
Ooooh, she was pointing out her fellow flag waving REPUBLICANS are terrorists. - 15/03/2011 09:01:13 PM 867 Views
and you know her well enough to know what she is saying - 15/03/2011 09:37:16 PM 1001 Views
I know ENGLISH well enough to know what she's saying; you're the only who thinks WHO said it matters - 15/03/2011 10:54:04 PM 983 Views
I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM 549 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 11:54:37 AM 840 Views
I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM* - 13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM 406 Views
Somewhat - 13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM 851 Views
While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers... - 13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM 863 Views
Oh, agreed - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM 845 Views
and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting - 13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM 967 Views
A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders. - 13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM 903 Views
How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event? - 14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM 824 Views
Three, by my count. - 14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM 807 Views
yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count - 14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM 841 Views
Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter? - 14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM 814 Views
no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims - 14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM 677 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM 796 Views
Is it acceptable.... - 14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM 785 Views
Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens. - 14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM 822 Views
I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there? - 14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM 833 Views
Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you. - 14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM 797 Views
You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it - 14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM 674 Views
No, just quoting it. - 15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM 769 Views
so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe - 15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM 774 Views
I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you? - 15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM 824 Views
you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context - 15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM 693 Views
You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it? - 15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM 945 Views
no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said - 16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM 1010 Views
Simmer down - 14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM 823 Views
Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails. - 14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM 815 Views
Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM 765 Views
Re: Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM 761 Views
no different than using a quote out of context - 14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM 855 Views
Too clarify... - 14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM 811 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 01:07:05 AM 817 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 02:31:06 AM 803 Views
Notice..... - 14/03/2011 09:55:00 PM 754 Views
Re: Notice..... - 15/03/2011 01:15:19 AM 824 Views
Totally getting déjà vu of déjà vu from the thread here. *NM* - 14/03/2011 09:44:11 PM 362 Views
No kidding; at least no one got shot this time. - 14/03/2011 10:44:07 PM 718 Views

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