Active Users:719 Time:14/11/2024 05:29:24 PM
Re: Don't be foolish... Joel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM
First off...I'm not a Tea Partier. Not my thing...besides the fact that its a political fad that will die out.

Secondly, since when does electing someone to office automatically equate me agreeing with everything that they say, do, or believe in? I think that may be where you are loosing many people. I've voted for people many times based upon the fact that I either don't like the alternative (which I believe is why many voted Obama) or I don't like the other person.

I realized I had no way of knowing whether you're a Tea Partier, but IIRC you do identify with the Republican Party, which elected the officials in question. That doesn't make you responsible for their every action, nor fully responsible for their every public action, but it does mean you helped put them in power and thus denies you the option of defending their reprehenible and dangerous behavior on the grounds that the other side is worse. I voted for Obama because I thought he was significantly better than McCain; that doesn't obligate me to defend his every action, not even all his acts as President, I've frequently and forcefully stated disagreement with various of those Presidential acts and I don't recall ever resorting to unequal hypothetical comparisons to defend any such acts I knew to be wrong.
So here we are...you are foaming at the mouth (as evidenced by it being spread all over this post) and I am sitting here wondering why you're so upset. You don't live here. Why are you getting so concerned about something/someone for which you will never interact with? Tend your own house. The foolish ravings of some minor elected officials with right itself with the next election cycle....something of which you have even less control over, since you can't even vote here.

~Jeordam

I don't even live in America any more, but that probably won't always be the case, my family still lives there and even if both of those things weren't true I wouldn't be pleased to see ignorant xenophobia becoming so widespread that democratic majorities elect political officials who publicly celebrate the idea of the US military murdering its own citizens over religion. Tend my own house? I'm trying to end my own House, and moving to Norway didn't make me any less a US citizen nor less entitled to a say in who sits in my Congress. No, I can't vote in CA (though moondog can, thank God) but that doesn't mean I have to remain mute when those elected by people who do publicly engage in dangerous and inflammatory behavior. Since we're playing the "tit for tat" game again, you might want to let random thoughts know that he can't talk about William Jefferson keeping dirty money in his fridge anymore: He doesn't live in LA so it's none of his business. :rolleyes: Just like all them thar Yankee librals need to leave Governor Wallace alone; lessin' they moves to Alabama they ain't got no right to argue with "segregation now, segregation forever!" (they's all commies anyhow). You don't have a "states right" to force people to need a police escort to go to church, even if your local officials think you're "pure unadulterated evil", not in early sixties Selma and not FIFTY FREAKING YEARS LATER in Orange County.

I agree that the Tea Party is a flash in the pan, but it's a product of a far more disturbing American sentiment that goes back at least as far as the equally xenophobic and ignorant "American" Party. Actually, "the Kow Nothing Party" remains a good name for that philosophy, IMHO. The irony is that the Tea Party only exists because Bushs attempts to satisfy the most extreme elements in the uneasy GOP marriage between godless graft, gunboat mercantilism and intolerant fundamentalism fractured it beyond repair. The Tea Party is blessed by the fact the lack of any coherency or national unity has precluded the need to write a platform, but that won't be the case much longer. When the folks who want to build a wall around the country are forced to break bread with the ones who want to invade the world and the folks who want to ban gay marriage have to sit down with the ones who want to sell rainbow flags at a 50% markup the whole thing's going to implode all over again. The only thing we can be sure of is that it will be the fault of godless liberal commie terrorists. ;)
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 14/03/2011 at 10:52:24 PM
Reply to message
ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM 1366 Views
actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night - 13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM 968 Views
since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few - 13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM 820 Views
The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress. - 13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM 765 Views
I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM 549 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 11:54:37 AM 841 Views
I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM* - 13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM 407 Views
Somewhat - 13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM 852 Views
While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers... - 13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM 864 Views
Oh, agreed - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM 846 Views
and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting - 13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM 967 Views
A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders. - 13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM 903 Views
How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event? - 14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM 825 Views
Three, by my count. - 14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM 807 Views
yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count - 14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM 841 Views
Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter? - 14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM 814 Views
no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims - 14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM 677 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM 796 Views
Is it acceptable.... - 14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM 786 Views
Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens. - 14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM 823 Views
I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there? - 14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM 833 Views
Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you. - 14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM 798 Views
You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it - 14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM 675 Views
No, just quoting it. - 15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM 769 Views
so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe - 15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM 774 Views
I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you? - 15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM 824 Views
you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context - 15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM 694 Views
You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it? - 15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM 946 Views
no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said - 16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM 1010 Views
Simmer down - 14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM 824 Views
Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails. - 14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM 816 Views
Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM 765 Views
Re: Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM 762 Views
no different than using a quote out of context - 14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM 855 Views
Too clarify... - 14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM 811 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 01:07:05 AM 817 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 02:31:06 AM 803 Views
Notice..... - 14/03/2011 09:55:00 PM 754 Views
Re: Notice..... - 15/03/2011 01:15:19 AM 824 Views
Totally getting déjà vu of déjà vu from the thread here. *NM* - 14/03/2011 09:44:11 PM 362 Views
No kidding; at least no one got shot this time. - 14/03/2011 10:44:07 PM 719 Views

Reply to Message