First off...I'm not a Tea Partier. Not my thing...besides the fact that its a political fad that will die out.
Secondly, since when does electing someone to office automatically equate me agreeing with everything that they say, do, or believe in? I think that may be where you are loosing many people. I've voted for people many times based upon the fact that I either don't like the alternative (which I believe is why many voted Obama) or I don't like the other person.
Secondly, since when does electing someone to office automatically equate me agreeing with everything that they say, do, or believe in? I think that may be where you are loosing many people. I've voted for people many times based upon the fact that I either don't like the alternative (which I believe is why many voted Obama) or I don't like the other person.
I realized I had no way of knowing whether you're a Tea Partier, but IIRC you do identify with the Republican Party, which elected the officials in question. That doesn't make you responsible for their every action, nor fully responsible for their every public action, but it does mean you helped put them in power and thus denies you the option of defending their reprehenible and dangerous behavior on the grounds that the other side is worse. I voted for Obama because I thought he was significantly better than McCain; that doesn't obligate me to defend his every action, not even all his acts as President, I've frequently and forcefully stated disagreement with various of those Presidential acts and I don't recall ever resorting to unequal hypothetical comparisons to defend any such acts I knew to be wrong.
So here we are...you are foaming at the mouth (as evidenced by it being spread all over this post) and I am sitting here wondering why you're so upset. You don't live here. Why are you getting so concerned about something/someone for which you will never interact with? Tend your own house. The foolish ravings of some minor elected officials with right itself with the next election cycle....something of which you have even less control over, since you can't even vote here.
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I don't even live in America any more, but that probably won't always be the case, my family still lives there and even if both of those things weren't true I wouldn't be pleased to see ignorant xenophobia becoming so widespread that democratic majorities elect political officials who publicly celebrate the idea of the US military murdering its own citizens over religion. Tend my own house? I'm trying to end my own House, and moving to Norway didn't make me any less a US citizen nor less entitled to a say in who sits in my Congress. No, I can't vote in CA (though moondog can, thank God) but that doesn't mean I have to remain mute when those elected by people who do publicly engage in dangerous and inflammatory behavior. Since we're playing the "tit for tat" game again, you might want to let random thoughts know that he can't talk about William Jefferson keeping dirty money in his fridge anymore: He doesn't live in LA so it's none of his business. Just like all them thar Yankee librals need to leave Governor Wallace alone; lessin' they moves to Alabama they ain't got no right to argue with "segregation now, segregation forever!" (they's all commies anyhow). You don't have a "states right" to force people to need a police escort to go to church, even if your local officials think you're "pure unadulterated evil", not in early sixties Selma and not FIFTY FREAKING YEARS LATER in Orange County.
I agree that the Tea Party is a flash in the pan, but it's a product of a far more disturbing American sentiment that goes back at least as far as the equally xenophobic and ignorant "American" Party. Actually, "the Kow Nothing Party" remains a good name for that philosophy, IMHO. The irony is that the Tea Party only exists because Bushs attempts to satisfy the most extreme elements in the uneasy GOP marriage between godless graft, gunboat mercantilism and intolerant fundamentalism fractured it beyond repair. The Tea Party is blessed by the fact the lack of any coherency or national unity has precluded the need to write a platform, but that won't be the case much longer. When the folks who want to build a wall around the country are forced to break bread with the ones who want to invade the world and the folks who want to ban gay marriage have to sit down with the ones who want to sell rainbow flags at a 50% markup the whole thing's going to implode all over again. The only thing we can be sure of is that it will be the fault of godless liberal commie terrorists.
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This message last edited by Joel on 14/03/2011 at 10:52:24 PM
ignorance and hate in orange county, california
13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM
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actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night
13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM
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since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few
13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM
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The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress.
13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM
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and you believe the Tea Party is electing terrorist to office?
14/03/2011 03:17:49 PM
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"I know quite a few Marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to paradise".
14/03/2011 07:17:02 PM
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which terrorist was she talking about? You don't even have context just a propaganda video
14/03/2011 09:13:22 PM
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That she directed it toward the whole event rather than specific people is the whole problem.
14/03/2011 09:53:29 PM
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really? you have unedited video of her doing that?
14/03/2011 11:01:57 PM
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She said, "what's going on over there is PURE UNADULTERATED evil".
15/03/2011 12:21:16 AM
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you sure seem to know alot about what she meant from just hearing two clips out of context
15/03/2011 02:47:44 PM
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No, I'm just not being obtuse about her clear meaning because she's on "my side".
15/03/2011 08:39:21 PM
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You could see where she was pointing? All I saw were flags
15/03/2011 08:45:02 PM
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Ooooh, she was pointing out her fellow flag waving REPUBLICANS are terrorists.
15/03/2011 09:01:13 PM
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and you know her well enough to know what she is saying
15/03/2011 09:37:16 PM
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I know ENGLISH well enough to know what she's saying; you're the only who thinks WHO said it matters
15/03/2011 10:54:04 PM
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I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM*
13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM
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Somewhat
13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM
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and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting
13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM
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A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders.
13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM
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How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event?
14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM
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Three, by my count.
14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM
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yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count
14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM
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Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter?
14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM
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no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims
14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM
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I'm aware of no such case, let alone people being elected to Congress for doing it.
14/03/2011 10:19:53 PM
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if you have evidience he supported verbal assults you should post it
14/03/2011 11:03:19 PM
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He MADE verbal assaults, and video of it was posted at the start of the thread.
15/03/2011 12:23:12 AM
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why is it hard to grasp the "destrtoying America" is a common phrase used by boht sides
15/03/2011 02:53:29 PM
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Yeah, but people shouldn't be paying their elected officials to (literally) subject them to it.
15/03/2011 08:39:05 PM
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oh and here is the film making them victims being celibrated by Variety
14/03/2011 11:10:00 PM
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Funny how they got ARRESTED instead of elected to public office.
15/03/2011 12:25:17 AM
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and now the left is trying to tuen them into martyrs, which was my point. What was yours?
15/03/2011 02:57:04 PM
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Doesn't seem like "the left" is trying to turn them into martyrs, let alone electing them to office.
15/03/2011 08:39:12 PM
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the little piece of propeganda is likely to win SXSW film festival
15/03/2011 09:31:22 PM
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Which proves many people find sensationalized violence entertaining, and that Austinites are idiots.
15/03/2011 10:52:19 PM
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More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon.
13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM
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Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california
13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM
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The Tea Party sponsored the event where people they elected said that stuff.
14/03/2011 07:42:29 PM
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do you believe there is single group the Tea Party?
14/03/2011 09:03:10 PM
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I believe a majority elected public officials encouraging violence against their own constituents.
14/03/2011 10:12:59 PM
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I thought you needed proof before accussing someone of a crime
14/03/2011 11:04:05 PM
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Whether or not this reaches the level of criminality is a good question.
15/03/2011 12:36:40 AM
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yes but first you will have to prove she in inciting violience
15/03/2011 07:55:47 PM
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She wants the Marines to assist US citizens to paradise; I think it's proven.
15/03/2011 08:39:29 PM
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no Joel isn't proven and if you think it is you need to look up what the proof means
15/03/2011 09:36:32 PM
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"Those terrorists" was a blanket statement directed at the people attending the fundraiser.
15/03/2011 10:52:51 PM
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prove it
16/03/2011 01:12:55 AM
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So we're back to "prove what you've already proven multiple times" again; fine, I'm done then.
16/03/2011 02:16:35 AM
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Is it acceptable....
14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM
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Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens.
14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM
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I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there?
14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM
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Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you.
14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM
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You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it
14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM
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No, just quoting it.
15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM
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so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe
15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM
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I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you?
15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM
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you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context
15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM
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You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it?
15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM
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no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said
16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM
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She said what she said, whether or not you want to believe your eyes and ears.
16/03/2011 02:16:59 AM
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Simmer down
14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM
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Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails.
14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM
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Don't be foolish...
14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM
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Re: Don't be foolish...
14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM
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no different than using a quote out of context
14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM
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Too clarify...
14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM
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