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That she directed it toward the whole event rather than specific people is the whole problem. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2011 09:53:29 PM
Well the Tea Party isn’t going around blowing people up but that is beside the point. If you want to cry about your group being stereotyped because of the actions of small minority don't by stereotyping another group by the actions of a few.

If the call to religious murder fits, wear it. Again, you can't call a US Congressman and city councilwoman elected by MAJORITIES a fringe element. The Tea Party chose to put their name on that and sponsor it, so they get to be responsible when one of their Congressmen accuses people at a charity fundraiser of "destroying America". THIS is what you were patting yourself on the back for putting in charge of the country last November; you don't get to just wash your hands of the shameful and dangerous results.

Make no mistake: This IS dangerous. When the whole city council, instead of just "a few" members, is proudly declaring their sons and the rest of the military would cheerfully murder those attending an event, you can bet that city won't provide the police who were guarding the door at this event. Your minister can get up and publicly call Islam a false religion, even accuse all of its members of being terrorists; your mayor can't, because he has to represent and serve his Muslim constituents as well as his others. As usual, what's most alarming about this isn't the well known fact that a few extremists will use violent inflammatory language, but that THESE extremists include elected officials whom your beloved Tea Party proudly supported--and still does. Thus I'm sure I'll have many more opportunities to try and explain to you why using violent inflammatory language and supporting those who do is neither a good idea nor a First Amendment right; I'm just glad no one died this time (as much as that disappoints the city councilwoman). This time....

"Real" America seems a pretty vicious hateful place, a cause for shame, not to be "Proud to Be an American". That's not America, nor should it be.

It's very amusing how you keep referring to undoctored tape of a Tea Party politicians statements as "propaganda". Yes, calling Muslims, as a group, "terrorists" is propaganda; that, and that it's dangerous and reprehensible to praise the notion of the US military murdering its own citizens, is precisely the point. When liberals sent death threats to Republican legislators who ended collective bargaining by WI public unions I didn't shrug that off as an unrepresentative and therefore unnoteworthy "fringe element", I condemned it in the harshest terms I could as disgusting and dangerous to both democracy and lives. Why are you so eager to defend that kind of language as "merely a fringe element" despite the fact it comes from people a majority elected to public office? Why do local police officers understand their duty to protect Muslim community members from violent hatemongering, but their city councilwoman and Congressional representative consider it their duty to ENGAGE in that same violent hatemongering against their own constituents?
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM 1366 Views
actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night - 13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM 968 Views
since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few - 13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM 820 Views
The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress. - 13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM 765 Views
and you believe the Tea Party is electing terrorist to office? - 14/03/2011 03:17:49 PM 802 Views
"I know quite a few Marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to paradise". - 14/03/2011 07:17:02 PM 810 Views
which terrorist was she talking about? You don't even have context just a propaganda video - 14/03/2011 09:13:22 PM 870 Views
That she directed it toward the whole event rather than specific people is the whole problem. - 14/03/2011 09:53:29 PM 730 Views
I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM 549 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 11:54:37 AM 841 Views
I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM* - 13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM 407 Views
Somewhat - 13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM 852 Views
While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers... - 13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM 864 Views
Oh, agreed - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM 846 Views
and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting - 13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM 967 Views
A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders. - 13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM 903 Views
How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event? - 14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM 825 Views
Three, by my count. - 14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM 807 Views
yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count - 14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM 841 Views
Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter? - 14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM 814 Views
no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims - 14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM 677 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM 797 Views
Is it acceptable.... - 14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM 786 Views
Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens. - 14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM 823 Views
I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there? - 14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM 833 Views
Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you. - 14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM 798 Views
You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it - 14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM 675 Views
No, just quoting it. - 15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM 769 Views
so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe - 15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM 774 Views
I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you? - 15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM 824 Views
you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context - 15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM 694 Views
You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it? - 15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM 946 Views
no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said - 16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM 1010 Views
Simmer down - 14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM 824 Views
Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails. - 14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM 816 Views
Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM 765 Views
Re: Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM 762 Views
no different than using a quote out of context - 14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM 855 Views
Too clarify... - 14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM 811 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 01:07:05 AM 817 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 02:31:06 AM 803 Views
Notice..... - 14/03/2011 09:55:00 PM 754 Views
Re: Notice..... - 15/03/2011 01:15:19 AM 824 Views
Totally getting déjà vu of déjà vu from the thread here. *NM* - 14/03/2011 09:44:11 PM 362 Views
No kidding; at least no one got shot this time. - 14/03/2011 10:44:07 PM 719 Views

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