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Oh, agreed Isaac Send a noteboard - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM
...why yell insults at families bringing their children to a charity fundraiser?


Because they're assholes, sorry if I didn't make my opinion on the actual people doing it sufficiently clear.

I'm also uncomfortable calling Siraj Wahhaj a "former Nation of Islam" member without qualifying that statement by saying he renounced the Nation of Islam and broke with them very vocally. It doesn't look like Wahhaj has done much beyond being called an unindicted co-conspirator of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by unspecified sources. In the absence of more information we should be careful about those sorts of statements because it could be like calling Sarah Palin an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the Giffords shooting for her crosshairs map. Without knowing the context you don't know how closely related he was to the bombing, if at all.


The point revolves around the actual post, as well as the video itself, which are making it appear that people just showed up to be mean and vile one day. Wahhaj has whole pages devoted to making portraying him as evil, so do Palin, Obama, Scott Walker, and Adolf Hitler - how truly deserved that animosity is for each of them is obviously variably and in the eye of the beholder, but it's a bit silly - well, not silly, since the omission is not accidental - not to mention a given event may be under protest because of their presence.

If there is more evidence against Wahhaj, then I could understand protesting him. Based on what I can tell about Amir Abdel Malik Ali, he does sound like a potential radical.


Wahhaj has a fairly long record of public statements that many object to, which are grounds for protest themselves I suppose, I don't particularly ask for long details from people protesting Palin or Obama either.

But then why not protest those individuals only?


General rudeness probably, I've never seen video of any in-your-face protest that wasn't carefully edited to make it look good that didn't generally fill me with disgust.

I think that it's indefensible to yell at people coming with their families to support a charity fundraiser that their religion is a fraud or ask if they don't want to go home and beat their wives. If you have strong feelings about Islam as a religion you're free to express them, and it's protected free speech in the US, but is there a need to go out of your way to say that to people, especially when they're there with their children?


I think not, but I'm disinclined to let that justify a wide smear attempt.

I agree that there was probably a lot more to things than what we see on the video presented. Yes, the actual rally was far earlier than the late night footage. Yes, the video was probably spliced. I'm sure that there is a lot more information to look at. I still don't see why people were verbally assaulted like that just for attending a charity event.


Seeing as the source that provided the video is not particularly credible, I can't really say, possibly because they're jerks, we've just watched a whole month of that sort of thing in Wisconsin. I am not a big fan of whaling, fur trapping, or ivory poaching, I am also not a big fan of people throwing paint on people who wear fur or attack whaling ships. I would still object to someone producing a video of an attack on a whaling ship, and using it as a hit piece on everyone who objected to whaling, ivory, or fur - particularly if they didn't bother to mention that the attackers believed it was a whaling ship and that that was what motivated the attack.
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM 1367 Views
actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night - 13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM 972 Views
since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few - 13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM 825 Views
The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress. - 13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM 767 Views
I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM 550 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 11:54:37 AM 842 Views
I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM* - 13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM 407 Views
Somewhat - 13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM 854 Views
While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers... - 13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM 867 Views
Oh, agreed - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM 850 Views
and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting - 13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM 973 Views
A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders. - 13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM 904 Views
How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event? - 14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM 826 Views
Three, by my count. - 14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM 811 Views
yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count - 14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM 846 Views
Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter? - 14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM 817 Views
no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims - 14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM 679 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california - 13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM 799 Views
Is it acceptable.... - 14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM 787 Views
Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens. - 14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM 825 Views
I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there? - 14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM 834 Views
Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you. - 14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM 800 Views
You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it - 14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM 679 Views
No, just quoting it. - 15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM 771 Views
so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe - 15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM 775 Views
I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you? - 15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM 826 Views
you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context - 15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM 695 Views
You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it? - 15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM 948 Views
no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said - 16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM 1013 Views
Simmer down - 14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM 827 Views
Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails. - 14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM 818 Views
Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM 766 Views
Re: Don't be foolish... - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM 763 Views
no different than using a quote out of context - 14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM 857 Views
Too clarify... - 14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM 813 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 01:07:05 AM 820 Views
Re: Too clarify... - 15/03/2011 02:31:06 AM 805 Views
Notice..... - 14/03/2011 09:55:00 PM 756 Views
Re: Notice..... - 15/03/2011 01:15:19 AM 826 Views
Totally getting déjà vu of déjà vu from the thread here. *NM* - 14/03/2011 09:44:11 PM 363 Views
No kidding; at least no one got shot this time. - 14/03/2011 10:44:07 PM 721 Views

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