...why yell insults at families bringing their children to a charity fundraiser?
Because they're assholes, sorry if I didn't make my opinion on the actual people doing it sufficiently clear.
I'm also uncomfortable calling Siraj Wahhaj a "former Nation of Islam" member without qualifying that statement by saying he renounced the Nation of Islam and broke with them very vocally. It doesn't look like Wahhaj has done much beyond being called an unindicted co-conspirator of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by unspecified sources. In the absence of more information we should be careful about those sorts of statements because it could be like calling Sarah Palin an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the Giffords shooting for her crosshairs map. Without knowing the context you don't know how closely related he was to the bombing, if at all.
The point revolves around the actual post, as well as the video itself, which are making it appear that people just showed up to be mean and vile one day. Wahhaj has whole pages devoted to making portraying him as evil, so do Palin, Obama, Scott Walker, and Adolf Hitler - how truly deserved that animosity is for each of them is obviously variably and in the eye of the beholder, but it's a bit silly - well, not silly, since the omission is not accidental - not to mention a given event may be under protest because of their presence.
If there is more evidence against Wahhaj, then I could understand protesting him. Based on what I can tell about Amir Abdel Malik Ali, he does sound like a potential radical.
Wahhaj has a fairly long record of public statements that many object to, which are grounds for protest themselves I suppose, I don't particularly ask for long details from people protesting Palin or Obama either.
But then why not protest those individuals only?
General rudeness probably, I've never seen video of any in-your-face protest that wasn't carefully edited to make it look good that didn't generally fill me with disgust.
I think that it's indefensible to yell at people coming with their families to support a charity fundraiser that their religion is a fraud or ask if they don't want to go home and beat their wives. If you have strong feelings about Islam as a religion you're free to express them, and it's protected free speech in the US, but is there a need to go out of your way to say that to people, especially when they're there with their children?
I think not, but I'm disinclined to let that justify a wide smear attempt.
I agree that there was probably a lot more to things than what we see on the video presented. Yes, the actual rally was far earlier than the late night footage. Yes, the video was probably spliced. I'm sure that there is a lot more information to look at. I still don't see why people were verbally assaulted like that just for attending a charity event.
Seeing as the source that provided the video is not particularly credible, I can't really say, possibly because they're jerks, we've just watched a whole month of that sort of thing in Wisconsin. I am not a big fan of whaling, fur trapping, or ivory poaching, I am also not a big fan of people throwing paint on people who wear fur or attack whaling ships. I would still object to someone producing a video of an attack on a whaling ship, and using it as a hit piece on everyone who objected to whaling, ivory, or fur - particularly if they didn't bother to mention that the attackers believed it was a whaling ship and that that was what motivated the attack.
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california
13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM
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actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night
13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM
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since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few
13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM
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The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress.
13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM
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and you believe the Tea Party is electing terrorist to office?
14/03/2011 03:17:49 PM
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"I know quite a few Marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to paradise".
14/03/2011 07:17:02 PM
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which terrorist was she talking about? You don't even have context just a propaganda video
14/03/2011 09:13:22 PM
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That she directed it toward the whole event rather than specific people is the whole problem.
14/03/2011 09:53:29 PM
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really? you have unedited video of her doing that?
14/03/2011 11:01:57 PM
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She said, "what's going on over there is PURE UNADULTERATED evil".
15/03/2011 12:21:16 AM
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you sure seem to know alot about what she meant from just hearing two clips out of context
15/03/2011 02:47:44 PM
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No, I'm just not being obtuse about her clear meaning because she's on "my side".
15/03/2011 08:39:21 PM
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You could see where she was pointing? All I saw were flags
15/03/2011 08:45:02 PM
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Ooooh, she was pointing out her fellow flag waving REPUBLICANS are terrorists.
15/03/2011 09:01:13 PM
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and you know her well enough to know what she is saying
15/03/2011 09:37:16 PM
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I know ENGLISH well enough to know what she's saying; you're the only who thinks WHO said it matters
15/03/2011 10:54:04 PM
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I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM*
13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM
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Somewhat
13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM
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While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers...
13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM
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Oh, agreed
13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM
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and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting
13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM
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A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders.
13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM
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How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event?
14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM
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Three, by my count.
14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM
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yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count
14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM
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Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter?
14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM
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no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims
14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM
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I'm aware of no such case, let alone people being elected to Congress for doing it.
14/03/2011 10:19:53 PM
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if you have evidience he supported verbal assults you should post it
14/03/2011 11:03:19 PM
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He MADE verbal assaults, and video of it was posted at the start of the thread.
15/03/2011 12:23:12 AM
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why is it hard to grasp the "destrtoying America" is a common phrase used by boht sides
15/03/2011 02:53:29 PM
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Yeah, but people shouldn't be paying their elected officials to (literally) subject them to it.
15/03/2011 08:39:05 PM
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oh and here is the film making them victims being celibrated by Variety
14/03/2011 11:10:00 PM
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Funny how they got ARRESTED instead of elected to public office.
15/03/2011 12:25:17 AM
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and now the left is trying to tuen them into martyrs, which was my point. What was yours?
15/03/2011 02:57:04 PM
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Doesn't seem like "the left" is trying to turn them into martyrs, let alone electing them to office.
15/03/2011 08:39:12 PM
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the little piece of propeganda is likely to win SXSW film festival
15/03/2011 09:31:22 PM
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Which proves many people find sensationalized violence entertaining, and that Austinites are idiots.
15/03/2011 10:52:19 PM
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More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon.
13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM
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Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california
13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM
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The Tea Party sponsored the event where people they elected said that stuff.
14/03/2011 07:42:29 PM
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do you believe there is single group the Tea Party?
14/03/2011 09:03:10 PM
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I believe a majority elected public officials encouraging violence against their own constituents.
14/03/2011 10:12:59 PM
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I thought you needed proof before accussing someone of a crime
14/03/2011 11:04:05 PM
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Whether or not this reaches the level of criminality is a good question.
15/03/2011 12:36:40 AM
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yes but first you will have to prove she in inciting violience
15/03/2011 07:55:47 PM
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She wants the Marines to assist US citizens to paradise; I think it's proven.
15/03/2011 08:39:29 PM
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no Joel isn't proven and if you think it is you need to look up what the proof means
15/03/2011 09:36:32 PM
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"Those terrorists" was a blanket statement directed at the people attending the fundraiser.
15/03/2011 10:52:51 PM
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prove it
16/03/2011 01:12:55 AM
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So we're back to "prove what you've already proven multiple times" again; fine, I'm done then.
16/03/2011 02:16:35 AM
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Is it acceptable....
14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM
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Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens.
14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM
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I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there?
14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM
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Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you.
14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM
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You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it
14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM
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No, just quoting it.
15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM
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so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe
15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM
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I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you?
15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM
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you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context
15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM
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You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it?
15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM
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no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said
16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM
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She said what she said, whether or not you want to believe your eyes and ears.
16/03/2011 02:16:59 AM
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Simmer down
14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM
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Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails.
14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM
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no different than using a quote out of context
14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM
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Too clarify...
14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM
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