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I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* excalibur Send a noteboard - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM
i posted this as a response to a different thread, but i think it probably deserves its own spot (with acknowledgment to aisha for the suggestion). the back story:

an islamic center in orange county, california held a fundraiser to benefit women's homeless shelters. one of the local city council members gave a speech in protest saying the muslims were "pure unadulterated evil" and insinuating that the money being raised for women's shelters and schools is actually going to fund terrorists to attack the US.

the video is making the rounds as evidence that the tea party activists are inherently racist, but i think it shows more that people can be whipped into a furor over any ignorant idea no matter how stupid and illogical.
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ignorance and hate in orange county, california moondog - 13/03/2011 07:05:33 AM 1367 Views
actually it wasnt at an Islamic Center, It was a city center rented out by muslims for the night Aisha - 13/03/2011 08:29:10 AM 972 Views
since you are OK with judging all Tea Part memebers by the actions of a few random thoughts - 13/03/2011 01:03:42 PM 825 Views
The problem with that is that Muslims aren't electing terrorists to city councils or Congress. Joel - 13/03/2011 08:13:38 PM 767 Views
and you believe the Tea Party is electing terrorist to office? random thoughts - 14/03/2011 03:17:49 PM 804 Views
"I know quite a few Marines who will be very happy to help these terrorists to paradise". Joel - 14/03/2011 07:17:02 PM 812 Views
which terrorist was she talking about? You don't even have context just a propaganda video random thoughts - 14/03/2011 09:13:22 PM 872 Views
That she directed it toward the whole event rather than specific people is the whole problem. Joel - 14/03/2011 09:53:29 PM 732 Views
really? you have unedited video of her doing that? random thoughts - 14/03/2011 11:01:57 PM 884 Views
She said, "what's going on over there is PURE UNADULTERATED evil". Joel - 15/03/2011 12:21:16 AM 814 Views
you sure seem to know alot about what she meant from just hearing two clips out of context random thoughts - 15/03/2011 02:47:44 PM 731 Views
No, I'm just not being obtuse about her clear meaning because she's on "my side". Joel - 15/03/2011 08:39:21 PM 823 Views
You could see where she was pointing? All I saw were flags random thoughts - 15/03/2011 08:45:02 PM 812 Views
Ooooh, she was pointing out her fellow flag waving REPUBLICANS are terrorists. Joel - 15/03/2011 09:01:13 PM 869 Views
and you know her well enough to know what she is saying random thoughts - 15/03/2011 09:37:16 PM 1008 Views
I know ENGLISH well enough to know what she's saying; you're the only who thinks WHO said it matters Joel - 15/03/2011 10:54:04 PM 988 Views
I couldn't even finish watching that *NM* excalibur - 13/03/2011 11:29:34 AM 550 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california dart_board - 13/03/2011 11:54:37 AM 842 Views
I have to ask. Is this actually real? *NM* Dan - 13/03/2011 12:36:50 PM 407 Views
Somewhat Isaac - 13/03/2011 04:05:14 PM 854 Views
While I can accept peoples' problems with the speakers... Tom - 13/03/2011 05:19:50 PM 867 Views
Oh, agreed Isaac - 13/03/2011 06:37:43 PM 848 Views
and then there are the biased idiots who only need a video of few people chanting random thoughts - 13/03/2011 01:02:07 PM 972 Views
A very small number of people who happen to include elected leaders. Joel - 13/03/2011 08:42:37 PM 904 Views
How many elected officals were there shouting at people as they entered the event? random thoughts - 14/03/2011 04:22:34 PM 826 Views
Three, by my count. Joel - 14/03/2011 06:02:06 PM 811 Views
yes but since you are just making it that doesn't really count random thoughts - 14/03/2011 06:30:24 PM 845 Views
Folks on "my side" don't suggest US Marines murder people on yours; why does who tallies matter? Joel - 14/03/2011 07:25:12 PM 816 Views
no folk on your side try to firebomb political conventions and then claim they are vicitims random thoughts - 14/03/2011 09:02:27 PM 679 Views
I'm aware of no such case, let alone people being elected to Congress for doing it. Joel - 14/03/2011 10:19:53 PM 916 Views
if you have evidience he supported verbal assults you should post it random thoughts - 14/03/2011 11:03:19 PM 795 Views
He MADE verbal assaults, and video of it was posted at the start of the thread. Joel - 15/03/2011 12:23:12 AM 795 Views
why is it hard to grasp the "destrtoying America" is a common phrase used by boht sides random thoughts - 15/03/2011 02:53:29 PM 902 Views
Yeah, but people shouldn't be paying their elected officials to (literally) subject them to it. Joel - 15/03/2011 08:39:05 PM 829 Views
oh and here is the film making them victims being celibrated by Variety random thoughts - 14/03/2011 11:10:00 PM 932 Views
Funny how they got ARRESTED instead of elected to public office. Joel - 15/03/2011 12:25:17 AM 801 Views
and now the left is trying to tuen them into martyrs, which was my point. What was yours? random thoughts - 15/03/2011 02:57:04 PM 802 Views
Doesn't seem like "the left" is trying to turn them into martyrs, let alone electing them to office. Joel - 15/03/2011 08:39:12 PM 1103 Views
the little piece of propeganda is likely to win SXSW film festival random thoughts - 15/03/2011 09:31:22 PM 781 Views
Which proves many people find sensationalized violence entertaining, and that Austinites are idiots. Joel - 15/03/2011 10:52:19 PM 944 Views
More than anything it seems like America is importing the "no good guys here" phenomenon. Joel - 13/03/2011 08:41:07 PM 787 Views
Re: ignorance and hate in orange county, california alliandrina - 13/03/2011 10:05:40 PM 799 Views
The Tea Party sponsored the event where people they elected said that stuff. Joel - 14/03/2011 07:42:29 PM 993 Views
do you believe there is single group the Tea Party? random thoughts - 14/03/2011 09:03:10 PM 797 Views
I believe a majority elected public officials encouraging violence against their own constituents. Joel - 14/03/2011 10:12:59 PM 876 Views
I thought you needed proof before accussing someone of a crime random thoughts - 14/03/2011 11:04:05 PM 891 Views
Whether or not this reaches the level of criminality is a good question. Joel - 15/03/2011 12:36:40 AM 1043 Views
yes but first you will have to prove she in inciting violience random thoughts - 15/03/2011 07:55:47 PM 852 Views
She wants the Marines to assist US citizens to paradise; I think it's proven. Joel - 15/03/2011 08:39:29 PM 767 Views
no Joel isn't proven and if you think it is you need to look up what the proof means random thoughts - 15/03/2011 09:36:32 PM 767 Views
"Those terrorists" was a blanket statement directed at the people attending the fundraiser. Joel - 15/03/2011 10:52:51 PM 969 Views
prove it random thoughts - 16/03/2011 01:12:55 AM 942 Views
So we're back to "prove what you've already proven multiple times" again; fine, I'm done then. Joel - 16/03/2011 02:16:35 AM 807 Views
Is it acceptable.... Jeordam - 14/03/2011 03:52:14 PM 787 Views
Elected officials shouldn't suggest the US Marines murder US citizens. Joel - 14/03/2011 07:39:42 PM 825 Views
I agree but do have an example of that happening or are you just twisiting what was said there? random thoughts - 14/03/2011 09:12:10 PM 834 Views
Dude, I QUOTED an example in my above response to you. Joel - 14/03/2011 10:11:02 PM 799 Views
You have one line tyaken out of context and even then you are spinning it random thoughts - 14/03/2011 11:04:38 PM 679 Views
No, just quoting it. Joel - 15/03/2011 12:42:31 AM 771 Views
so you are just going to ignore the edit and belive what you want to believe random thoughts - 15/03/2011 02:58:36 PM 775 Views
I believe what I saw and heard; why can't you? Joel - 15/03/2011 08:55:45 PM 826 Views
you saw and herd a few sentences taken out of context random thoughts - 15/03/2011 09:29:55 PM 695 Views
You think that speech gets better if we listen to all of it? Joel - 15/03/2011 10:53:55 PM 948 Views
no Joel you don't know Jack shit about what she said random thoughts - 16/03/2011 01:21:47 AM 1013 Views
She said what she said, whether or not you want to believe your eyes and ears. Joel - 16/03/2011 02:16:59 AM 732 Views
Simmer down Jeordam - 14/03/2011 09:50:05 PM 827 Views
Well, if you aren't trying to equate them even the dubious "two wrongs make a right" defense fails. Joel - 14/03/2011 10:01:57 PM 818 Views
Don't be foolish... Jeordam - 14/03/2011 10:13:44 PM 766 Views
Re: Don't be foolish... Joel - 14/03/2011 10:38:18 PM 763 Views
no different than using a quote out of context moondog - 14/03/2011 08:25:22 PM 857 Views
Too clarify... Isaac - 14/03/2011 08:40:19 PM 813 Views
Re: Too clarify... moondog - 15/03/2011 01:07:05 AM 820 Views
Re: Too clarify... Isaac - 15/03/2011 02:31:06 AM 805 Views
Notice..... Jeordam - 14/03/2011 09:55:00 PM 756 Views
Re: Notice..... moondog - 15/03/2011 01:15:19 AM 826 Views
Totally getting déjà vu of déjà vu from the thread here. *NM* Stephen - 14/03/2011 09:44:11 PM 363 Views
No kidding; at least no one got shot this time. Joel - 14/03/2011 10:44:07 PM 721 Views
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