And it's certainly important to remember they are just that and no more; nothing prevents Egypt from following an entirely novel path of their own. Yet the revolutions in other countries went the way they did for reasons (although since, by Wikipedias numbers, it's 98% Christian, in some form, we can hardly call it a "Muslim country" ). The Iranian and Indonesian models seem the most likely course for Egypt, but neither is a given.
That's the thing: I don't consider a repressive theocracy a given if Mubarak falls, I simply consider it a strong possibility, and how I feel about Mubaraks potential ouster hinges entirely on whether that possibility is realized. I won't say that, as an American, I'd be thrilled at the prospect of a democractic secular state opposed to US policy, but it wouldn't alarm me on behalf of both Egyptians and the rest of the world the way a sharia state would. Again, such a state will not be automatic in the absence of Mubarak, but it would be a very likely possibility, and if it did materialize your own article says this:
That seems legitimate cause for concern, because however dismissive people wish to be of the idea Islamic militants are simply using protesters as pawns (as the Ayatollah did) and that the public disavowals of sharia are dishonest, there is real reason from the mouths of MB leaders to believe otherwise, and people paid to be right about Mid-East forecasts consider that a serious possibility. They also seem to share my view that if a repressive MB government is able to gain a solid hold on the reigns of power, if they can mobilize the police and military in the ways that Mubarak has, the Egyptian people won't be able to force reform from them any more easily than they did Mubarak. I obviously wouldn't consider Iman Al Zawahiri coming home to Egypt to torture thousands of others in cells he once occupied an improvement over Mubarak, but something like Indonesia just as obviously would be a vast improvement. How I feel about Mubaraks removal, if it does, in fact, occur, depends entirely on what replaces him; all we know for certain is that something will if he goes.
That's the thing: I don't consider a repressive theocracy a given if Mubarak falls, I simply consider it a strong possibility, and how I feel about Mubaraks potential ouster hinges entirely on whether that possibility is realized. I won't say that, as an American, I'd be thrilled at the prospect of a democractic secular state opposed to US policy, but it wouldn't alarm me on behalf of both Egyptians and the rest of the world the way a sharia state would. Again, such a state will not be automatic in the absence of Mubarak, but it would be a very likely possibility, and if it did materialize your own article says this:
"If they do gain control, it's going to be almost impossible for the people to take it back," says former State Department official Leslie Gelb, referring to the Brotherhood. Ian Johnson, a journalist who has written on the movement, quoted its former leader as saying he "still wants to impose Islamic law, or sharia, in Egypt, but says he would do so slowly, building up support at the grass-roots level rather than imposing it from above, as was done in Iran."
That seems legitimate cause for concern, because however dismissive people wish to be of the idea Islamic militants are simply using protesters as pawns (as the Ayatollah did) and that the public disavowals of sharia are dishonest, there is real reason from the mouths of MB leaders to believe otherwise, and people paid to be right about Mid-East forecasts consider that a serious possibility. They also seem to share my view that if a repressive MB government is able to gain a solid hold on the reigns of power, if they can mobilize the police and military in the ways that Mubarak has, the Egyptian people won't be able to force reform from them any more easily than they did Mubarak. I obviously wouldn't consider Iman Al Zawahiri coming home to Egypt to torture thousands of others in cells he once occupied an improvement over Mubarak, but something like Indonesia just as obviously would be a vast improvement. How I feel about Mubaraks removal, if it does, in fact, occur, depends entirely on what replaces him; all we know for certain is that something will if he goes.
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/Media: Guardian's take on funny Americans' take on Egypt
03/02/2011 09:32:52 PM
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I think you should replace "Fox" by "funny Americans".
03/02/2011 09:44:26 PM
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Pfft. Synonyms.
03/02/2011 09:46:42 PM
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Well, you'll get accusations and sour reactions anyway.
03/02/2011 09:50:28 PM
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Re: Well, you'll get accusations and sour reactions anyway.
03/02/2011 09:52:20 PM
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This is true. We'll just have to leave it to Glenn Beck to provide the poetry, now. *NM*
03/02/2011 09:54:59 PM
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Re: Pfft. Synonyms.
03/02/2011 09:51:30 PM
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Re: Pfft. Synonyms.
03/02/2011 09:52:56 PM
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Re: Pfft. Synonyms.
03/02/2011 09:56:34 PM
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That leads to the interesting question of how you define "anti-American".
03/02/2011 09:54:13 PM
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Re: That leads to the interesting question of how you define "anti-American".
03/02/2011 10:21:56 PM
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I think you should replace "funny Americans" with "blowhard pundits who don't deserve time of day" *NM*
04/02/2011 12:28:22 AM
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I posted earlier with observations on how idiotic Fox is sounding generally on the Egypt situation.
04/02/2011 02:15:23 AM
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I saw Guardian use the phrase balanced coverage and stopped
04/02/2011 06:20:31 PM
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You always do this.
05/02/2011 01:28:11 AM
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It is the irony I find funny
07/02/2011 04:03:38 PM
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That after watching that you think the GUARDIAN'S the one over the top here?
08/02/2011 04:02:04 PM
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sorry the Guardian is shit
08/02/2011 04:21:09 PM
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Maybe, but I'll need evidence; regardless, that's not what this is about, is it?
08/02/2011 04:48:06 PM
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Oh, is Beck a "socialism fan favor[ing] the violent dicator since he can bring order and subsidies"?
05/02/2011 08:04:17 AM
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So you are saying you have a lot in common with Glen Beck?
07/02/2011 04:04:41 PM
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Not really.
08/02/2011 03:46:10 PM
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it is easy to understand why Beck wants to defend Mubarak
08/02/2011 04:23:11 PM
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By the Grace of God, Glenn Beck and Alex Jones do not represent America, or even most of the right.
05/02/2011 08:30:26 AM
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Did find this linked article at your link interesting:
05/02/2011 09:02:44 AM
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Here's a link for you
05/02/2011 06:28:42 PM
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Interesting comparisons.
06/02/2011 12:45:29 AM
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Been over all of this before, so I'll just point out that Lebanon is not Syria. *NM*
05/02/2011 07:20:10 PM
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Oops....
06/02/2011 12:03:27 AM
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Gah. "Someone is wrong on the internet!", and all that, and I can't resist.
06/02/2011 12:34:59 AM
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I know that feeling well.
06/02/2011 01:50:41 AM
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America shouldn't take the blame for Fox! That's Rupert Murdoch's, the Aussie's, fault! *NM*
06/02/2011 03:16:04 AM
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