He mainly seems to bring close diplomatic ties to the US and alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood
Joel Send a noteboard - 29/01/2011 12:59:48 AM
Nobody really gets freedom without blood shed. The people of Egypt have just as much right to rise up in violent protest against a dictator as anyone else. Now if they are just smashing things and breaking windows then no one should support them but if they truly are trying to bring reform to their country ans you support democracy then yes you should support them. We were willing to shed blood to get democracy. Hell we are shedding blood as I type this to try and bring other people democracy.
But by all means take the other side because you don't like everyone who MIGHT be on Mubaraks (personally, I haven't decided; both sides look pretty ugly to me, but that's the Mid-East for you). Based on my admittedly limited understanding of the situation, a primary and long standing complaint against Mubarak is that when he privatized many formerly nationalized industries he favored and further enriched a wealthy aristocracy, the very people who were first against the wall in the Bolshevik Revolution to which I likened violent revolution for the sake of violence.
I'm not yet convinced this a simple matter of a popular democratic uprising on behalf of freedom. If it becomes a successful revolution, which seems quite possible, it's far more likely to produce an anti-Western militant theocracy with MORE nationalized industries than it is to create some sort of capitalist paradise. But, hey, small price to pay for disagreeing with a position I've not yet decided to take, right?
Maybe if we slit each others throats over imagined differences bin Laden won't have to bother. 
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This message last edited by Joel on 29/01/2011 at 01:04:41 AM
If anyone's looking for up-to-date info on what's going on in Egypt
- 28/01/2011 08:08:31 PM
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Clarify: Democracy fans should favor the protesters because they have more violent thugs,right?
- 28/01/2011 11:37:48 PM
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and socialism fans should favor the violent dicator since he can bring order and subsidies
- 29/01/2011 12:16:37 AM
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He mainly seems to bring close diplomatic ties to the US and alternatives to the Muslim Brotherhood
- 29/01/2011 12:59:48 AM
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You might want to do a quick check on the political situation in Egypt at this time.
- 29/01/2011 11:37:02 AM
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I've done a quick one; it makes me question whether government by the protesters would be better.
- 29/01/2011 11:44:10 PM
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It's a fairly simple matter, really.
- 29/01/2011 11:52:41 AM
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The trouble with free elections is: They're free.
- 29/01/2011 11:53:22 PM
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A vote for dictatorship and against democracy it is. Just checking.
- 30/01/2011 12:08:41 AM
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I haven't cast a vote.
- 30/01/2011 02:02:11 AM
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Not one that counts no, but still.
- 30/01/2011 01:11:59 PM
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None of any kind.
- 31/01/2011 12:10:07 AM
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so you support tyranny of others if it makes things more comfortable for you?
- 30/01/2011 05:15:01 AM
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I oppose brutal oppression; I'm unconvinced either side in this will end it, thus I withhold support
- 30/01/2011 05:21:37 AM
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some times it is black and white
- 31/01/2011 12:37:36 AM
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I fully support their right to demand democracy; I don't expect they'll get it, whatever happens.
- 31/01/2011 01:45:23 AM
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You're not seriously expecting them to do their revolution American Revolution-style, are you?
- 29/01/2011 11:28:31 AM
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I think terrorizing innocents and torching buildings is a poor way to claim the moral highground.
- 29/01/2011 11:32:19 PM
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British Colonialism wasn't a walk in the park
- 30/01/2011 03:53:58 AM
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Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
- 30/01/2011 10:42:53 AM
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Re: Comparatively speaking, yes, it really was. Or at least in the US - not always so much in Asia.
- 30/01/2011 02:32:52 PM
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You can't be serious.
- 30/01/2011 03:07:18 PM
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Pretty serious
- 30/01/2011 04:52:24 PM
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Re: Pretty serious
- 30/01/2011 05:11:50 PM
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This is ridicolous
- 30/01/2011 05:31:31 PM
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I wouldn't normally think this necessary with you, but okay: let's go back and see what I said.
- 30/01/2011 06:34:09 PM
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you forget that it was supposdely thier own citizens the British were abusing.
- 31/01/2011 12:39:33 AM
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Sure, but organized into hostile armies. A rather different matter, that. *NM*
- 31/01/2011 09:46:25 PM
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I dont know if this will help you understand what is going on there
- 30/01/2011 02:45:41 AM
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Yikes indeed
- 29/01/2011 03:57:25 AM
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Apparently Egypt blocked access to Facebook, Twitter and some other websites.
- 29/01/2011 11:38:46 AM
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Heh, her update was basically "Thanks for turning facebook back on, Egypt."
- 29/01/2011 06:36:49 PM
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There seems to be some big misconceptions about the Egyption crisis
- 31/01/2011 11:52:37 PM
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