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And I call bullshit Cannoli Send a noteboard - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM
Calling that fear "blood libel" while she's lying in a hospital bed is blaming the victim in my book. Giffords saw that Palins words COULD motivate this even if there happens to be no other connection with the attempt to murder her;

She was full of it - this was pure political rhetoric trying to score points against Republicans. If she was genuinely afraid of such an improbable outcome, she is too chickenshit to be in national politics, and her shooting would be more of a Darwin Award sort of thing (How about some security precautions? Maybe don't go out in public rallies if you are genuinely afraid of your life, until or unless you get some better security. A few years ago, back before 9-11, I read in an article somewhere that all Congressmen are entitled to at least a bodyguard from some federal agency or other (FBI or Marshall service maybe) but almost none of them take advantage of it. The anticipated threat was kidnapping and holding a Congressman for ransom, but I find it hard to believe that a Democrat with genuine security concerns could not obtain protection from a Democratic administration.

The fact that her baselss rhetorical chicken-little act intended to score political points coincided with a result in no way implicates Palin et al, or spreads any of the blame from a man who gives absolutely no evidence of being influenced by her.

Palin STILL can't see it. That doesn't make her responsible for this attack, though if she keeps up with the same rhetoric it seems like only a matter of time, but if she can't see a danger in hindsight that Giffords saw ten months ago it DOES mean she lacks the judgement to lead. Accusing a woman who was almost killed of maligning her is just shameful.
Unlike Gabby's accusaitons, Palin's complaint is justified. Giffords WAS maligning her, and her unrelated shooting neither makes her right, nor Palin wrong. Palin had nothing to do with this, but you don't like her and you find the fact that she refuses to be silenced by the injury to someone this country is, lets's face it, better off without her in Congress annoying, so you have strung together this absurd and fuzzy line of reasoning why Palin should shut up. It doesn't matter how many people are dead or injured (and why is all the attention being paid to Giffords whom we are constantly being reassured of how well she is recuperating, when an actual federal judge is DEAD? Because he was a Bush appointee, and there is no stick with which to beat Palin, Beck and company in his murder), it is still wrong to falsely accuse anyone in their deaths, and it is cowardly to attemtpt to silence political speech, especially political dissent, in the name of an unrelated victim.
Cannoli
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2071 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 926 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1103 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1150 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1093 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1456 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1001 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1017 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1017 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 932 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 875 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1057 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 940 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 990 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1029 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1008 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1047 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1093 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1190 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 866 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1011 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 992 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1076 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1109 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1255 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 944 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1206 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 815 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1017 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 843 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1225 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1100 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1046 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1093 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1229 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 972 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 984 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1043 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 859 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1055 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1137 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 991 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1025 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1084 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1108 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 953 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 973 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1002 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1250 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1263 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1014 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 935 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 961 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 953 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1032 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1142 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1026 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1030 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 966 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1234 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1078 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 892 Views
Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result. - 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM 1038 Views
And I call bullshit - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM 1172 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 951 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1036 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 476 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 445 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 921 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 485 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1111 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 868 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 898 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 861 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1009 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 885 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 876 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1026 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 910 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1080 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 895 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 937 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 890 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 997 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 800 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 884 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 928 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1005 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1142 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 878 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 925 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1221 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1052 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1067 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 527 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 809 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 916 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 989 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 840 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 511 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1071 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1096 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1140 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1080 Views

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