Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed.
Tom Send a noteboard - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM
Palin has been attempting to convince America that she is able to affect things with just the power of a sound byte here and there. She's taken credit for things that had nothing to do with her, and ignored the many times when she's had a negative affect on elections (NY 23rd District, which went Democrat for the first time since the Civil War thanks to Palin, her support of nutjobs Angle and O'Donnell which helped ensure Harry Reid still runs the Senate, and taking credit for Rand Paul and Marco Rubio's victories, which had nothing to do with her, are all examples that come to mind). She's tried to make Americans believe that she can cause miracles to happen, just by calling someone a "mamma grizzly".
Well, guess what? It's no wonder that people immediately remembered her crosshairs over Giffords' congressional district. If you try to portray the image that you have only to say the word to make things happen, then the publicity that generates cuts both ways. Palin is the victim of her own inflated ego and her colossal stupidity, in this instance and generally in life.
So, in my opinion, is Palin to blame for the shooting in Tucson? No. Is it surprising that people are blaming her for it? No, it isn't.
Well, guess what? It's no wonder that people immediately remembered her crosshairs over Giffords' congressional district. If you try to portray the image that you have only to say the word to make things happen, then the publicity that generates cuts both ways. Palin is the victim of her own inflated ego and her colossal stupidity, in this instance and generally in life.
So, in my opinion, is Palin to blame for the shooting in Tucson? No. Is it surprising that people are blaming her for it? No, it isn't.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS.
- 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM
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Why are they calling it "blood libel"?
- 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM
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Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable.
- 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM
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It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but...
- 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM
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I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already
- 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM
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Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread.
- 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM
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She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either
- 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM
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I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it.
- 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM
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Oh please don't you start to
- 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM
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I for one hadn't noticed it before.
- 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM
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it was used here and nobody commented
- 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM
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LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here
- 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM
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It's funny you should say that...
- 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM
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Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin).
- 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM
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I thought you were the real vicitim
- 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM
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When and where did I say that? The ultimate victim is America, but six members of it just died.
- 19/01/2011 11:24:27 PM
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Re: It's funny you should say that...
- 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM
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It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry.
- 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM
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Oh, I noticed that one alright.
- 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM
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but is he accussed of being a tasteless moron who doesn't know what it means?
- 19/01/2011 02:28:03 PM
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I don't know, if I have to judge him based on that one article, then tasteless moron, absolutely.
- 19/01/2011 06:14:43 PM
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The peole who called her stupid for using the term didn't know it was so wide spread either
- 17/01/2011 02:33:19 PM
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Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him.
- 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM
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Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him.
- 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM
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Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her.
- 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM
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That means precisely nothing
- 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM
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It means everything.
- 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM
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I'm trying to understand your logic
- 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM
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There are two points:
- 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM
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I don't agree, but I understand. *NM*
- 19/01/2011 10:14:13 PM
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Giffords' statements and Palins are matters of public record; they're indisputable.
- 19/01/2011 11:34:53 PM
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I must say, if more people on both sides could say that we'd all be better for it.
- 20/01/2011 04:32:55 AM
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the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument
- 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM
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Your inability/unwillingness to follow basic and clearly delineated logic is not my failing.
- 20/01/2011 01:19:31 AM
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I admit I can't follow gnome logic *NM*
- 20/01/2011 05:50:22 AM
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I demonstrated the connection, whether or not you choose to look the other way.
- 20/01/2011 03:16:28 PM
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that is some twisted and bizarre logic
- 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM
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Giffords said Palins crosshairs imagery would have "consequences"; Palin calls the suggestion libel.
- 18/01/2011 08:54:45 PM
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yes but the only consequences is liberals using them to slander Palin
- 19/01/2011 02:58:35 PM
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I read Toms reply; I don't think he exactly vindicated your position, nor meant to do so.
- 20/01/2011 01:52:37 AM
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It was an example of blaming the victim, a phrase you keep misusing
- 20/01/2011 06:28:21 PM
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I thought you said only liberals blinded by political bias committed that grave sin.
- 20/01/2011 07:47:09 PM
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so in other words you again missed the point
- 20/01/2011 08:26:49 PM
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Well, one of us did.
- 20/01/2011 09:24:35 PM
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so lets be clear do you or don't you understand what it means to "blame the vicitm"?
- 20/01/2011 10:03:48 PM
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I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin?
- 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM
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So I am a little confused on something...
- 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM
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Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this
- 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM
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If I understand what you are saying correctly...
- 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM
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I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand.
- 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM
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Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand.
- 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM
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The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically.
- 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM
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No, they don't
- 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM
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Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one.
- 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM
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You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said
- 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM
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I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice)
- 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM
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The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity
- 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM
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More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice?
- 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM
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really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens
- 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM
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I thought waterboarding was OK and any suggestion to the contrary was terrorist sympathizing. 
- 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM
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- 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM
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way to dodge the point again
- 20/01/2011 08:34:33 PM
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Do you have an example of a credible threat of injury to a Congressman, or calls for one?
- 20/01/2011 10:02:53 PM
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Your shifting your original premise, *again*
- 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM
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No, you're simply missing the point of it.
- 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM
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Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book.
- 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM
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Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither.
- 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM
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conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto
- 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM
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That first line is says it all.
- 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM
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Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist
- 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM
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The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power".
- 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM
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It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central...
- 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM
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Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result.
- 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM
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And I call bullshit
- 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM
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If Palin wants to accuse Giffords of libel she should have the guts to do it to her face.
- 18/01/2011 10:39:07 PM
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So if some jihadist shot Gifford, would you also blame Palin?
- 19/01/2011 02:52:42 PM
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don't get ti doesn't matter who is to blame it just matters if they can use it *NM*
- 19/01/2011 04:11:09 PM
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No, I'd blame the shooter first and the mullahs shouting, "JIHAD111" second, as I always do.
- 20/01/2011 03:11:33 AM
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Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM*
- 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM
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Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed.
- 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM
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Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM*
- 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM
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I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know).
- 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM
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politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM*
- 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM
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She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. 
- 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM
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- 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM
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Took you this long, huh?
- 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM
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I didn't want to look because I was afraid the charges against the far right demagogues might stick.
- 18/01/2011 11:07:26 PM
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I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy
- 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM
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I'm just curious.
- 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM
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Had that convo with the cab driver on the way home from a New Years party.
- 18/01/2011 11:42:07 PM
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If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ).
- 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM
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mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity
- 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM
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A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs?
- 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM
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so it is all a matter of faith for you
- 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM
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No, it's fairly straight forward logic.
- 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM
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sorry Joel but you haven't
- 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM
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It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that.
- 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM
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only in your does the connection exisit
- 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM
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No.
- 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM
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dude wake up
- 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM
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Fine, I have no problem dropping the "right" label in my condemnations.
- 20/01/2011 10:39:34 PM
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Why not just blame Giffords?
- 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM
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Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does.
- 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM
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The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner
- 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM
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At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues.
- 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM
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0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right
- 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM
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Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit 
- 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM
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- 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM
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No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics'
- 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM
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Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I?
- 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM
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no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state
- 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM
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It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric.
- 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM
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it was the national democrats
- 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM
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Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC.
- 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM
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The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue
- 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM
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"WE aren't doing it, except for when we are". Admission of guilt is a poor defense.
- 20/01/2011 03:25:16 AM
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The irony of this thread is not lost on me.
- 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM
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Bizarre thread for that Soapbox
- 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM
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You missed the point, obviously.
- 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM
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Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM*
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long.
- 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM
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Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS.
- 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM
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We can debate whether it's coincidental, but the connections are documented fact
- 22/01/2011 08:17:24 PM
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